The FILES related to the auto mall sign are available for review on Google my docs PUBLIC No regist reqd. Also pics there and videos of signs
https://docs.google.com/?tab=qo&authuser=0#query/vr?view=0&filter=images_and_videos&hidden=1
also at Facebook for pics if you prefer
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=100001597299471&aid=26540 See different auto mall signs here NO registration reqd.
Signs with TV screens LA area http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=6775&id=100001597299471
FROM the Neautral city??
IMPT. Links http://www.scenic.org/
www.signlaw.com
www.oaaa.org
Auto Mall Improvement Project
Upcoming Community Meetings
Location: | Los Robles Greens Golf Course – Banquet Center 299 S. Moorpark Road Thousand Oaks, CA |
Dates: | 6:00 PM on Thursday, February 10 |
View the Presentation from the January 26 Meeting |
The Thousand Oaks Auto Mall lies on 54 acres along Thousand Oaks Boulevard between Duesenberg Drive, Packard Circle, and the 101 Freeway. The Auto Mall employs approximately 1,000 people, consistently generating almost one-quarter of the City’s annual sales tax revenues. In the past four years, the Auto Mall has generated more than $28 Million in sales tax revenue to the City.
In recent years, the dealerships have been working with the City to improve the appearance and navigability of the Auto Mall. Along with pedestrian amenities and aged streetscaping, the primary concern is the lack of available parking for both customers and employees. In fact, as a Top Priority for FY 2007-2008, the Thousand Oaks City Council directed staff to develop a plan to mitigate parking issues at the Auto Mall.
On January 12, 2010, City Council authorized design for the Auto Mall project. Due to the significance of this undertaking, the City Council formed an Ad Hoc Citizens Auto Mall Advisory Committee. The Ad Hoc Committee met five times between February and June 2010 to review conceptual designs and make recommendations. The final report by the Citizen Ad Hoc Committee contained recommendations on the angled parking, landscaping, way-finder signage, and a new freeway monument sign.
At the December 14, 2010 meeting, City Council approved all the necessary plans and permits for the project to move forward, with the exception the freeway monument sign. At the request of the Auto Mall Association, the monument sign was not considered by City Council at the December 14th meeting, in order to receive additional community feedback and insight regarding the sign before making a decision. After completing additional public outreach and receiving community feedback, the Auto Mall Association will bring the item to City Council on February 22, 2011.
http://www.toaks.org/civica/filebank/blobdload.asp?BlobID=19602 Their Power point presentation
http://www.toaks.org/civica/filebank/blobdload.asp?BlobID=19520 The biased comm. report Shoved down my throat as Comm member (Nick Q) NO minority report allowed
The City Engineer as ADVOCATE for auto mall NO OTHER side presented
Frequently Asked Questions Below are five frequently asked questions regarding the proposed Auto Mall Monument Sign.
Jay Spurgin, City Engineer (805) 449-2444 jspurgin@toaks.org ===================================================================== Studies & Reports City Council & Planning Commission
Studies & Reports
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Feb 5, 2010 ... Governor gearing up to sell ads on freeway electronic signs .... You should also know that The Sacramento Bee does not screen comments ...
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Escondido OKs huge electronic screen for new Lexus dealer
IMAGES WILL INCLUDE LANDSCAPES, PAINTINGS, LOCAL PHOTOS
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ESCONDIDO -- The City Council has approved design details for a gigantic, illuminated screen that will begin splashing colorful images of art and landscapes onto Interstate 15 later this year when a new Lexus dealership opens on Ninth Avenue.
The 1,296-square-foot screen will be nearly five times larger than the Escondido Auto Park electronic sign situated just off the western edge of the freeway. Lexus officials said their screen must be larger because it will be 450 feet southwest of the freeway.
The operation agreement for the screen prohibits any advertising, but city officials said it will still draw extra attention to Escondido's auto dealers, where sales have fallen sharply the past two years.
Previous attempts to improve the visibility of the city's auto row included the 267-square-foot Auto Park sign erected in the late 1990s, and a 180-foot flagpole added in 2005 that sports an 1,800-square-foot American flag.
A resident living near the new dealership on Tanglewood Lane objected to the media screen when it was first proposed in late 2006, but Lexus gained his support by agreeing to block his view of the screen with a special wall and several trees.
Others have questioned whether the screen, which would be roughly the size of a movie theater screen, might cause crashes on the freeway by distracting drivers. But city officials said the lack of continuous animation would make distractions unlikely.
Design details approved Wednesday by the council dictate that the images not be rotated more frequently than every 20 seconds, and the sign be shut off between 11 p.m. and 6:30 a.m.
A special committee of city employees and Lexus officials will decide which landscapes, paintings and other images to display.
Judy Jones-Cone, owner of the dealership, told the council Wednesday that she would like the screen to display art work by local students, photos by area residents and possibly some images of the San Diego Chargers professional football team on game days.
"We want the mural to give the building a personality," said Jones-Cone, who also owns the Lexus dealership in Carlsbad.
Even if the illuminated screen were not part of the plans, the new Lexus dealership would be remarkable.
The first so-called "super luxury" dealership in San Diego County, it will feature water shows, an upscale restaurant, piano music, meeting rooms and a hospitality center. Similar dealerships have opened recently in Orange County and south Florida.
"I think it's exciting we'll be the first in the county to have one of these," said Mayor Lori Holt Pfeiler.
Other local dealers have supported the arrival of Lexus, predicting the unique facility will draw curious car shoppers from miles away. The electronic auto park sign and the giant flagpole were paid for by the auto park association, which now includes 14 dealers. Escondido also has a half-dozen dealerships outside the auto park, and Lexus will be among them.
Initially, plans called for the screen to be inside clear glass on the third floor of the dealership, but Lexus officials recently decided to place the screen outdoors on the northeast corner of the building, which will rise 70 feet above the ground. Previous plans also called for the screen to rotate between two positions, but it will now be fixed in one spot.
Councilman Ed Gallo suggested the outdoor location could increase the chances for vandalism, such as rocks being thrown at the glass. But dealership officials said the screen will be safely sealed.
City officials said the illumination will vary between day and night, and that the sign will be dramatically less bright than a shopping mall parking lot at night.
The dealership is now under construction next to the Target/Mervyns plaza on the former site of the Escondido Adventist Academy, which is moving to a new site off Deodar Road in north Escondido. Lexus officials predicted the dealership will open by the end of the year.
Level two is where you can see a vast display of new Lexus vehicles adorned with performance and other optional Lexus equipment inside the Ready-To-Go showroom, which shortens the preparation times for Lexus buyers who desire such optional equipment at time of purchase. Two 2,500 square-foot conference centers can be reserved for public or private use along with an outdoor plaza that overlooks the fountain.
These two conference centers were designed and structurally engineered to accommodate large display items such as automobiles or small tractors for private training programs.
On the level three, the views of the Escondido hills and local mountains frame the spacious West-outdoor event area with outdoor fire tables and a capacity of over 300 guests make this a spectacular location for private and public parties, weddings, concerts and more.
The East-outdoor area is a more intimate setting for up to 150 guests with the ability to showcased movies or live musical performances.
Also on the third level is where Lexus vehicle buyers will take delivery inside an opulent showroom that is located next to the relaxed Lexus Learning Center where guests can discover all the features and benefits Lexus vehicles offer through videos as well as personal Product Specialists on hand to answer questions.
Coming soon in 2010 to the hospitality area on level three will feature be an elegantly appointed restaurant with capacity of 150 diners, along with a flower shop and more retail boutiques.
http://www.lexusescondido.com/MiscPage_5 watch these short videos They are amazing!
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Hacker Arrested in Billboard Porn Stunt
Remember the racy video billboard hack in Moscow? Well it appears they have arrested the man responsible for the fantastic stunt. The Moscow Times is reporting that "The incident prompted the Moscow Advertising Committee to ban video billboards on the streets of Moscow." but I can't find any information to corroborate this statement. If anyone finds information that upholds this statement, please send it our way.
The Moscow Times Reports
Police in the southern city of Novorossiisk have arrested a man accused of hacking into a video billboard in Moscow last month and showing a pornographic movie that spawned a traffic jam as curious drivers slowed to watch the film. [More Here]
The Moscow Times Reports
Police in the southern city of Novorossiisk have arrested a man accused of hacking into a video billboard in Moscow last month and showing a pornographic movie that spawned a traffic jam as curious drivers slowed to watch the film. [More Here]
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MINUTES 1993 Sign hearing HINUTES OF THE CITY 6ENCY
COUNCIL
REDEVELOPHENT
Thousand Oaks California December 7 1993
The regular meeting of the CityCouncilwas called to order at5m by
Redevelopment Agency 02pMayorZeanah in the Council 2400 Willow Thousand with
Chair Elois Chambers Lane Oaks
CouncilmembersJaime Zukowski Judy Lazar Frank Schillo and Alex Fiore present
Directors
were
Also present City ManagerGeneral Counsel
Executive Director Grant Brim hall City AttorneyMark Sellers Assistant City Manager MaryJane Lazz Assistant City Attorney Robert K Rogers Jr
Finance DirectorPublic Works Director John Clement Planning Director
Treasurer Robert Biery
Deputy Executive Director Philip Gatch Building and Safety Director Barry Branagan Civic Auditorium
and Forum Theater Director Thomas Mitze Sheriff Commander Kathy Kemp Deputy City Clerk Cindy
LoPiccolo Recording Secretary Loft Brown Public Service Clerk Erin McHale Principal Planner John
Prescott Senior Planner Greg Smith Senior Planner Jon Shepherd and City Engineer Gil Pableo
SPECIAL PRESENTATION
CMO Mayor Zeanah presented Certificates of Appreciation to CSAPA Red Ribbon Week
120Coloring Contest Winners Ginnie Jones lst Grade Stephanie Bernard 2nd Grade
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Timmy Harms 3rd Grade Scott Cleaver 4th Grade Kim Downey 5th Grade and
Heather Montgomery 6th Grade
DEPARTMENTAL AND REDEVELOPMENT REPORTS
PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
PCD Reduction forRe
Proposed Filing Fee WaiverFiling Tentative Tract 4754 Raznick
42090 Realty Group Director Gatch presented report and possible options to address request
President Raznick
Ellen Michiel 5525 Oakdale Avenue Woodland HillsViceSons
pro
Councilmember Schillo suggested staff and provide report of time spent on application
if a substantially small amount of time is spent Council may at that time consider fee
reduction
Motion by Councilmember Lazar to not waive the fee at this time require payment of
full filing fees and not set precedent carried41 Councilmember Fiore dissenting
PUBLIC WORKS
DPW Fire Remediation Plan Update Principal Engineer Pableo presented information
52080 concerning emergency measures implemented for postremediation work reported
fire
City contracted with California Conservation Corp CCC to install silt fences and debris
dams at slopes or berm hills above Deer Ridge subdivision The City also engaged
consulting firm of Woodward Clyde to supervise CCC work and prepare an implementa
tion plan Phase I of plan is complete additional work for hydroseeding on Deer Ridge
slopes subdivision is scheduled Introduced Scott Huntsman Senior Project Manager
for Woodward Clyde
Mr Huntsman presented slides and information pertaining to the plan and what will be
proposed in the future
UTILITIES None
BUILDING AND SAFETY None
POLICE None
Minutes of the
CityCouncil
Redevelopment Agency
Thousand Oaks California 3 December 7 1993
COMMITTEEBOARDREPORTS
COMMISSION
CMO Cable TV Issues Councilmember Fiore discussed providing a Mobile Van for live or
64110 delayed coverage of Newbury Park Panthers Hawthorne Cougars CIF Southern
tape2 Division III Championship Football Game Saturday December 11 1993
Motion by Councilmember Fiore to add this issue to the agenda for urgent action
purposes due to importance to the community and agenda prepared prior to receipt of
application carried50
Motion by Councilmember Fiore to approve Mobile Van use and appropriate up to 700
for costs associated with coverage approve Public Access Grant request for an amount
of up to 725 from grant funds as necessary and waive the grant requirement of
certified producer in order to receive the grant carried 50
CITY MANAGER Continued
PCD
City Manager Brimhall referred to Planning Department memo on Westlake Village
Convalescent Hospital noted Council to consider zoning and project application
concurrently
COMMITTEEBOARDREPORTS Continued
COMMISSION
CMO Crime Prevention Task Force Meeting report by Mayor Zeanah stated task force was
580formed to address crime concerns in particular violent crimes Next meeting will be held
20
January 19 1994
DPW Ventura County Transportation Commission Councilmember Schillo reported City
94010 streets met this yearmanagement conformance of the Congestion
s requirements
Management Plan noted current vacancy on Ventura County Transportation
CommissionCitizen Transportation Advisory Committee Social Service Transportation
sbe obtained from the Commission or
Council applications may City Reported
Metrolink will offer free ride from Moorpark to downtown Los Angeles Saturday
on
538
December 11 1993 tickets for 10 free rides available by calling City or18001112
CITY ATTORNEY None
REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY None
ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING
PCD AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF THOUSAND OAKS
60070 APPROVING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT NO RCA 93
24 WITHIN THE
61080 RANCHO CONEJO ANNEXATION AREA Specific Plan No 15 Introduced
11235
ORD NO 1193
NS
93 0
NS Be Read In Title Only
Motion by Councilmember Fiore that Ordinance No 1193
Further Reading Be Waived and If No Objection Adopted carried 50
UNFINISHED BUSINESS None
NEW BUSINESS None
Minutes of the City Council
Redevelopment Agency
Thousand Oaks California 4 December 7 1993
COUNCIL COMMENTS
CMO
Business Showcase Awards Mayor Zeanah reported she would sponsor weekly business
2
showcase awards in order to improve communication between the residential community
and business community noted awards will be initiated and screened by the Conejo
Valley Chamber of CommerceEconomic Development Committee one award per week
swill be scheduled under Special Presentations during her term
Councilmember Lazar announced her next Ask Your Councilmember will be held at
Ralphin North Ranch Shopping Center on December 11 1993 between the hours of
s10am and 1pClarified substantial progress has been made by the School District
m
in finding fields for use by Newbury Park Pony Baseball Requested Mayor and staff
consider January Study Sessions should be considered for Seventh Day Adventist and
PCD California Lutheran University properties before public hearing process Mayor Zeanah
responded suggestions will be taken under advisement
CMO
Mayor Zeanah commented the School Districtsolution for Newbury Park Pony League
s
90
585
may not be a satisfactory resolution for Newbury Park residents mentioned Council has
a
sports complex and should get issue back on track possible
purchase of parcel 101 Fwy requested investigate and
had goal to acquire fields
Moriadian Property
staff to
report back
Councilmember Schillo reported citizens are forming a Conejo Valley sports organization
to determine what their facility needs are suggested hearing from this organization
before taking steps to acquire any property Mayor Zeanah responded staff can include
findings in report
CMO Councilmember Zukowski requested permission to coordinate the next Citizens Exchange
160program requested Housing Issue be presented Councilmember Schillo responded he
62
would take it under consideration Councilmembers discussed history and purpose of
the Exchange 87 Mayor
Councilmember Zukowski noted Council action taken91
Zeanah requested staff investigate and report concerning the Citizens Exchange and
schedule on upcoming agenda for discussion
PUBLIC COMMENTS
PCD
Ned Cohan 15490 Ventura Blvd Sherman Oaks requested Council appoint staff person
2to work with him so he can return to Council for development plan approval
3
Pat Palucci 5757 Fairview Pl Agoura Member
Director of Community Conscience
praised Under One Roof and invited public in attend fund raiser December 13 1993 at
the Terrace Cafe 105 Brazil Street 6 to 9pm purpose of fund raiser is to reduce
mortgage debt of Human Services Center
CLOSED SESSION
CAO
City Attorney Sellers requested Closed Session pursuant to Government Code Section
54956concerning pending litigation City of Thousand Oaks v A C Martin VSCS
9
118396
Council recessed for Closed Session at6m and reconvened the meeting at7m
40p
30p
Chuck Cohen
Appellant
Representative
One Boardwalk
Thousand Oaks
Pro
J David Power
Appellant
Representative
30401 Agoura Road
Agoura Hills
Pro
Bob Fitzharris
Appellam
Representative
3026 Grandoaks Drive
Westlake Village
Pro
Peter F Shaver
Appellant
Represemative
1596 Clydesdale
Westlake Village
Pro
Tom Cohen
Appellam
Represemative
One Boardwalk
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Kenneth Greene
Appellant
Represemative
2548 Rikkard Drive
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Susan Mejia
Appellant
Representative
3905 Auto Mall Drive
Thousand Oaks
Pro
EXHIBIT A
Public Hearing
Auto Mall Sign
December 7 1993
Speakers
David Cole
Citizens for a
Beautiful Conejo
3666 Black Hills Court
Thousand Oaks
Con
Tom Oswald
Citizens for a
Beautiful Conejo
4045 E Thousand Oaks Blvd
Thousand Oaks
Con
Cathy Schulz
Citizens for a
Beautiful Conejo
4240 Arrowhead Circle
Thousand Oaks
Con
Richard F King
3888 E Thousand Oaks
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Virginia Davis
689 Triunfo Cyn Road
Thousand Oaks
Pro
R D Nesen
3601 Auto Mall Drive
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Cyril Shane
4583 TamO
Shanter Drive
Thousand Oaks
Con
Michael Humason
512 Walter Avenue
Newbury Park
Con
Tom Sutphen
3164 W Cumberland Ct
Westlake Village
Con
Michelle Koetke
4259 Blackwood Street
Thousand Oaks
Con
Scott Young
2909 E Great Smokey Ct
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Hal Epstein
3121 E Thousand Oaks Blvd
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Marc Myerson
2450 J Pleasant Way
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Hallie Blau
1666 Larkfield Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Con
Milton Weiner
1158
A
No address given
Con
MikeO
Beirne
794 Walnut Court
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Peggy Waters
10311 N Via Colinas
Westlake Village
Pro
Brian Cullier
429 Camino dos Palos
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Colette Jones
693 McCloud Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Speaker Cards
Continued
Page 2
Gary Phillips
1335 La Granada Dr
Thousand Oaks
Con
Suzanne Duchett
1654 Campbell Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Con
C J Parrish
2636 W Great Smokey Ct
Westlake Village
Con
Kevin Oliff
3918 N Oleander Court
Calabasas
Pro
John R Smith
1602 Wellington Place
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Terry Eubanks
491 Blackhawk Drive
Newbury Park
Pro
Patricia Yelle
2541 Hood Drive
Thousand Oaks
Con
Frank Parrish
2636 W Great Smokey Ct
Westlake Village
Con
Harriet E Baker
1508 Campbell Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Con
John Woodward Jr
31011 Lexington Way
Thousand Oaks
Pro
David McGee
2772 W Appalachian
Thousand Oaks
Con
Lynne Bausmith
572 Lotus Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Dale Hodges
1088 Warwick
Thousand Oaks
Con
Paul Herzog
1477 Fordham Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Con
Rickie Whitman
3292 Blue Ridge Ct
Thousand Oaks
Con
John M McClure
130 Falling Star Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Dennis Mayer
866 Linden Circle
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Dick Luenburg
32305 W Tempe Way
Thousand Oaks
Con
S
eve Salant
3342 S Blue Ridge Ct
Thousand Oaks
Con
Dan Chambers
2217 N Memory Lane
Westlake Village
PRo
Nancy Taylor
184 Silas Avenue
Newbury Park
Con
Bill Murphy
1299 Bluesail Circle
Thousand Oaks
Con
Mary Harris
P O Box 2067
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Pete Shaver Jr
1692 Twilight Ridge
Westlake Village
Pro
Marilyn Novak
644 Blue Oak
Thousand Oaks
Con
Mary Margaret Thomes
975 Calle Angosta
Thousand Oaks
Con
Jeff Kemp
3810 Thousand Oaks Blvd
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Nick Sansone
88 Beatty Place
Newbury Park
Pro
Cliff Reynolds
4623 Colony Drive
Camarillo
Pro
Scott Bailey
2607 La PaloCircle
ha
Thousand Oaks
PR6
Russ Goodenough
3676 Calle La Fuego
Thousand Oaks
Con
Gary Heathcote
2239 Townsgate Road
Westlake Village
Pro
Ekbal Quidwai
P O Box 824
Newbury Park
Con
Speaker Cards
Continued
Page 3
Dr Christopher Gould
1278 Equestrian Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Con
Norman Lueck
332 Hickory Drive
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Bill Becher
4239 Arrowhead Circle
Thousand Oaks
Con
Richard T Johnson
281 Tennyson Street
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Phil Kennon
3250 W Sierra Drive
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Marc Koscinski
801 Mitchell
Newbury Park
Pro
Gene Boles
521 Paseo Grande
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Howard Kruger
2567 E Thousand Oaks Blvd
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Barbara Teuscher
222 W Hillcrest Drive
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Jill Lederer
2776 E Sierra Drive
Westlake Village
Pro
Terry Jones
87 Lucero Street
Thousand Oaks
Pro
David Tuttle
1337 Thousand Oaks Blvd
Thousand Oaks
Pro
William Anderson
Silverstar Automotive Gr
1800 Ave of the Stars
Los Angeles
Pro
John Grace
Westlake Village Chamber
of Commerce
No address provided
Pro
Peter A Skidanov
304 Siesta Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Dave Melton
Westlake Village Chamber
of Commerce
31838 Willage Center Rd
Westlake Village
Pro
John Bailey
22908 Paul Revere Dr
Calabasas
Pro
Failed to Appear when
called
Simon Maria Echtekleff
1778 Moorpark Rd
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Sean Davis
359 Flittner Circle
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Steve Rubenstein
President
Conejo Valley
Chamber of Commerce
625 W Hillcrest Drive
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Kevin McCaffery
1625 Calle de Oro
Thousand Oaks
Pro
Statement Cards In Favor
Betty Sue Adams
8598 Eureka Street
Ventura
Bailey
Ply
3102 Thousand Oaks Blvd
Thousand Oaks
Tawnie Bausmith
572 Lotus
Thousand Oaks
David F Beasley
395 Freshmeadow
Simi
Alain Cavelier
2636 Calle Manzano
Thousand Oaks
Marjorie Cinnie
3925 Auto Mall Drive
Thousand Oaks
Eloise Cohen
730 Woodlawn Drive
Thousand Oaks
Cara Crowe
259 Gazania Court
Thousand Oaks
Ken Duncan
717 W Velarde Drive
Thousand Oaks
David Green
191 W Wilbur Road
ThousaM Oaks
Natalie Grives
1710 W Hillcrest Drive
Newbury Park
David T Gulbranson
417 S Oak Creek Drive
Thousand Oaks
EXHIBIT B
Public Hearing
Auto Mall Sign
December 7 1993
Sts
eme Ca
Jim Handol
3725 Duesenberg Drive
Thousand Oaks
Norm Hoffman
3888 Thousand Oaks Blvd
Thousand Oaks
Robert Koetke
4259 Blackwood Street
Newbury Park
Jim Ladin
1085 Via Colinas
Westlake Village
Paul Ladin
4573 Golf Course Drive
Westlake Village
Janet Levett
15 Atlas Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Gregory Margetin
771 Warwick
Thousand Oaks
Robert Martin
430 Bonnie View St
Moorpark
Simon Mekari
3880 Thousand Oaks Blvd
ThousaM Oaks
Howie Neftin
331 Hunters Court
Thousand Oaks
Laura Neffin
3550 Auto Mall Drive
Thousand Oaks
R A Susan Newlun
31927 Richgrove Court
Westlake Village
A J Pattersen
4141 Pinehollow
Thousand Oaks
Joe Paulucci
250 Conejo Ridge
Thousand Oaks
Walter Schaedle
2718 Lakewood Place
Westlake Village
Richard J Schamber
2020 Rockdale Avenue
Simi
A Shipp
329 Alpine Avenue
Ventura
William Smith
3348 Gerald Drive
Newbury Park
Nick H Stark
1851 Sandalwood Place
Thousand Oaks
Florence B Tocco
905 Meadowcrest Street
Newbury Park
Walter L Voeks
3829 Mainsail Circle
Westlake Village
Dixie Vollmer
1866 Brian Court
Thousand Oaks
Gary I Watkins
2075 Hietter Street
Simi
Statement Cards
Continued
Page 2
Statement Cards In
Opposition
Diane R Anderson
2656 W Great Smokey Ct
Westlake Village
Susan Arentzoff
3278 Allegheny Court
Westlake Village
Tyyne Baron
549 Walter Avenue
Newbury Park
Jane Becher
4239 Arrowhead Court
Westlake Village
Lorenzo Boido
3890 Blackwood Street
Newbury Park
Nathan Borin
P O Box 6263
Thousand Oaks
Howard Blau
1666 Larkfield Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Diane Rumbaugh
2166 Flintridge Court
Thousand Oaks
Wanda Cailliau
4443 Valley Spring Drive
Thousand Oaks
C Patricia Fred Carlson
1432 Thousand Oaks Blvd
Thousand Oaks
Andrea Conutt
63 La Palma
Newbury Park
John Crawford
291 E1 Cielo
Newbury Park
Polly Derr
1659 Larkfield
Thousand Oaks
Barbara Eisenthal
902 Rawhide Place
Newbury Park
Shermma Ellis
1476 Cheswick Place
Westlake Village
Mr Mrs James F
Fitzpatrick
3254 W Sierra Drive
Westlake Village
Mina Freehill
1724 Campbell Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Sheelagh M Gibbons
1422 Oldbury Place
Westlake Village
Marlene Hodges
1088 Warwick Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Nurit Eli Holzman
2787 Parkview Drive
Thousand Oaks
Trish Kellogg
978 Meadowcrest
Newbury Park
Christopher C Kelley
1691 Calle diamonte
Thousand Oaks
Darrell B Jones
1099 Antelope Place
Newbury Park
Mr Mrs George Klein
335 Hickory Grove Drive
Thousand Oaks
Mary Jo Kvern
1464 Cheswick Place
Westlake Village
Leif Kirsten Larsen
2776 Wasarch Court
Thousand Oaks
Charles Lech
2814 E Sierra
Thousand Oaks
Suzanne Robert Lewis
13 Doone Street
Thousand Oaks
Holly Ann McBride
1590 Campbell Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Charles McDuff
549 Walter
Newbury Park
Linda McGee
2772 W Appalachian Ct
Westlake Village
Ann Matze
1590 Campbell Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Barbara Minnehan
1452 Cheswick Place
Westlake Village
Scott Moors
21 Knollwood Drive
Newbury park
George Edna Moore
3194 Bear Creek Drive
Newbury Park
Rae Ann Murray
2768 Wasatch
Thousand Oaks
Jim Oos
3838 Northland
Newbury Park
Paul Judy Porcasi
1622 Campbell
Thousand Oaks
Statement Cards
Continued
Page 3
Richard Randall
640 Camino Manzanas
Thousand Oaks
L E Carol Robinson
1757 Campbell
Thousand Oaks
Dexter Reed
1724 Campbell
Thousand Oaks
Shirley Richards
875 S Westlake Blvd
Westlake Village
Don Raveanna Runyan
1523 Fordham Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Ernest Kris Salmon
856 La Cresta
Thousand Oaks
William V Nell Scruggs
3086 E Blackhills Court
Thousand Oaks
Russell Inessa Abrams
Snyder
2698 Lakewood Place
Westlake Village
Keith Taylor
184 Silas Lane
Newbury Park
Alan Whitman
P O Box 3902
Westlake Village
I added this file to the Google docs https://docs.google.com/?tab=qo&authuser=0#query/vr?view=0&filter=images_and_videos&hidden=1 Public docs NO Reg. reqd.
Auto dealers pull sign proposal
2010-12-16 / Front Page
A plan to build a 35-foot-tall electronic monument sign next to the 101 Freeway has been put on hold.
The Auto Mall Dealers Association on Friday asked that its proposal, intended to increase the visibility of the 25 dealerships at the 54-acre site, be taken off the agenda for the Dec. 14 City Council meeting.
The proposed sign featured a 12-by-21-foot LED screen for displaying vehicle advertisements 24 hours a day.
Susan Murata, vice-president of Silver Star Automotive Group and president of the auto mall association, said the group wants to gather more input from residents.
“We want to address the concerns of the community, and that’s why we took it off the calendar,” Murata told the council.
Murata stressed that a new sign is critical to the success of the plan because auto dealers believe it will help them better compete with dealerships to the north and south. She said studies have shown large LED boards can increase sales up to 20 percent.
“We don’t want to shove this down anyone’s throat,” Murata said. “We don’t want this to be a bad thing. There’s enough concern out there; let’s address it.”
With the sign off the table, the council unanimously approved on Tuesday an $8.6-million plan to improve landscaping and parking at the auto mall. The plan includes 364 additional parking spaces and the addition of way-finder signs to help drivers locate dealerships. The city is contributing $2 million worth of redevelopment money to the project.
The current 600 on-street parking spaces aren’t enough to accommodate the 1,100 or so employees of the dealerships, said Jay Spurgin, deputy director of public works.
Even with the sign off the agenda, it still drew numerous comments from the audience. Many said a larger LED sign could be dangerous because it would distract freeway drivers and lead to accidents.
Several speakers questioned the need for a larger sign. Thousand Oaks resident Richard Odom said prospective car buyers don’t drive up and down freeways looking for dealerships.
“We’re much more sophisticated than that,” he said.
Odom said if a larger LED sign is approved he will boycott the auto mall.
“I will not patronize any dealership that contributes to the defilement of our community by putting up a garish sign,” he said.
Others criticized the city’s redevelopment agency for contributing $2 million to the renovation.
Debbie Gregory said the auto dealers are “special interests” and redevelopment dollars should not be used on their behalf.
City officials stressed that no redevelopment money would be spent on the new sign, when or if it’s approved, but that the auto mall association will finance the entire cost.
Supporters of the auto mall sign also spoke.
Ben Woodle, representing The Oaks mall, said that retailers have lost sales in the past few years. He said a larger sign at the auto mall would benefit nearby businesses, including the shopping center.
George Webb, an employee of the auto mall since 1995, said he’s seen people lose their jobs in recent months. The planned improvements and a larger electronic display sign could save, and possibly add, jobs at dealerships, he said.
“I know if we do this right and we can keep jobs here and grow those jobs back, that means a lot to a lot of people,” Webb said.
The auto mall sells about 20,000 vehicles a year, even in the recession, Murata said.
John Adams, the city’s finance director, said the auto mall has been the top generator of sales tax revenue for the past 10 years. The auto mall generates 25 percent of the city’s sales tax revenue.
Supporters of the new sign reminded opponents that the old auto mall sign must come down because the planned improvements include widening the freeway frontage road near the sign.
A public hearing on the design of the new auto mall sign is expected to take place in February.
The renovation of the landscaping and parking could begin in the summer.
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Auto dealers pull sign proposal
2010-12-16 / Front Page
A plan to build a 35-foot-tall electronic monument sign next to the 101 Freeway has been put on hold.
The Auto Mall Dealers Association on Friday asked that its proposal, intended to increase the visibility of the 25 dealerships at the 54-acre site, be taken off the agenda for the Dec. 14 City Council meeting.
The proposed sign featured a 12-by-21-foot LED screen for displaying vehicle advertisements 24 hours a day.
Susan Murata, vice-president of Silver Star Automotive Group and president of the auto mall association, said the group wants to gather more input from residents.
“We want to address the concerns of the community, and that’s why we took it off the calendar,” Murata told the council.
Murata stressed that a new sign is critical to the success of the plan because auto dealers believe it will help them better compete with dealerships to the north and south. She said studies have shown large LED boards can increase sales up to 20 percent.
“We don’t want to shove this down anyone’s throat,” Murata said. “We don’t want this to be a bad thing. There’s enough concern out there; let’s address it.”
With the sign off the table, the council unanimously approved on Tuesday an $8.6-million plan to improve landscaping and parking at the auto mall. The plan includes 364 additional parking spaces and the addition of way-finder signs to help drivers locate dealerships. The city is contributing $2 million worth of redevelopment money to the project.
The current 600 on-street parking spaces aren’t enough to accommodate the 1,100 or so employees of the dealerships, said Jay Spurgin, deputy director of public works.
Even with the sign off the agenda, it still drew numerous comments from the audience. Many said a larger LED sign could be dangerous because it would distract freeway drivers and lead to accidents.
Several speakers questioned the need for a larger sign. Thousand Oaks resident Richard Odom said prospective car buyers don’t drive up and down freeways looking for dealerships.
“We’re much more sophisticated than that,” he said.
Odom said if a larger LED sign is approved he will boycott the auto mall.
“I will not patronize any dealership that contributes to the defilement of our community by putting up a garish sign,” he said.
Others criticized the city’s redevelopment agency for contributing $2 million to the renovation.
Debbie Gregory said the auto dealers are “special interests” and redevelopment dollars should not be used on their behalf.
City officials stressed that no redevelopment money would be spent on the new sign, when or if it’s approved, but that the auto mall association will finance the entire cost.
Supporters of the auto mall sign also spoke.
Ben Woodle, representing The Oaks mall, said that retailers have lost sales in the past few years. He said a larger sign at the auto mall would benefit nearby businesses, including the shopping center.
George Webb, an employee of the auto mall since 1995, said he’s seen people lose their jobs in recent months. The planned improvements and a larger electronic display sign could save, and possibly add, jobs at dealerships, he said.
“I know if we do this right and we can keep jobs here and grow those jobs back, that means a lot to a lot of people,” Webb said.
The auto mall sells about 20,000 vehicles a year, even in the recession, Murata said.
John Adams, the city’s finance director, said the auto mall has been the top generator of sales tax revenue for the past 10 years. The auto mall generates 25 percent of the city’s sales tax revenue.
Supporters of the new sign reminded opponents that the old auto mall sign must come down because the planned improvements include widening the freeway frontage road near the sign.
A public hearing on the design of the new auto mall sign is expected to take place in February.
The renovation of the landscaping and parking could begin in the summer.
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VISUAL—A mock version of the proposed Thousand Oaks Auto Mall sign went up last Friday. The blue banner represents the size of the LED screen. It will stay up until Dec. 14, when the City Council meets to discuss the proposal for the 35-foot-tall sign.
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Auto mall sign continues to draw fire
2010-11-11 / Front Page
Planning commission expresses concern
A 35-foot-tall electronic monument sign appears to be the major sticking point in an $8.5-million proposal to improve parking and landscaping at the Thousand Oaks Auto Mall.
Though the five planning commissioners who heard the project at Monday’s meeting unanimously supported the other improvements, three said they had real concerns over the sign.
The proposed design calls for the current 20- foot-tall auto mall sign along the 101 Freeway to be replaced with a larger sign featuring a 12-by-25-foot LED screen for displaying car advertisements (see above image).
The screen, which will operate 24 hours a day with the help of automatic dimmers, won’t be animated nor will it flash. Instead, it will operate like a slide show, changing images every eight seconds with a one-second transition time.
Susan Murata, vice president of Silver Star Automotive Group and head of the Auto Mall Association, told the commission the sign is “desperately needed.”
“That old sign is just that—it’s old. It’s dated and it needs to be replaced,” she said.
Commissioner Barry Fisher said that while he was in favor of helping the dealers attract more business to the auto mall—which generates around 25 percent of the city’s sales tax revenue each year—he couldn’t get past the size.
“It’s an opportune time to upgrade the sign, but I guess the bigger question is: upgrade to what?” Fisher said.
“Looking at the artist’s renderings, the sign looks massive. I’m trying to get that straight in my mind. I’m not totally sold on it.”
Commissioner Tina Grumney shared that sentiment.
“I completely support the redesign. I completely support additional parking. I completely support additional signage. . . . I completely support changes to the landscape. What I don’t support and I’m having difficulty with are the proposed changes to the monument sign,” Grumney said.
Project years in the making
The city of Thousand Oaks has been working with auto mall dealers for more than a decade on plans to increase the economic viability of the 54-acre site, which is currently home to 20 dealerships and employs around 1,000 people.
For years one of the auto dealers’ biggest complaints has been a lack of parking, said Jay Spurgin, the city’s deputy public works director.
“It boils down to insufficient parking in the auto mall,” he said. “You can drive out there at anytime during the week and not find a parking space.”
Plans are to add 364 parking spaces to the current 900 at the auto mall. City streets in the dealership areas will be widened and angled parking spaces added.
Extensive landscaping work proposed includes adding 41 trees and building landscape planters at each of the five rotundas on Auto Mall Drive. There are also plans to add way-finder signs to help drivers locate each dealership.
In November 2009 the City Council authorized the formation of an ad hoc committee to provide community input on all aspects of the project.
The committee, which was made up of homeowners association representatives, businesses, Auto Mall Association members and other interested people, met with city staff five times before a final meeting in mid-June.
Former mayor Judy Lazar, who co-chaired the committee, spoke in favor of the design on Monday, saying the group “had at least 20 different variations of possible auto mall signs and we looked at all of them.”
Commissioner Daryl Reynolds said she liked the sign’s design and felt it was wrong to dismiss the committee’s work by voting against it.
“Is that what you want to do,” she asked Fisher, “just leave it up to the council or to staff to come up with a new design rather than the committee that spent all those months looking at the design of signs?”
The public hearing included 10 speakers, most of whom opposed the sign.
When it concluded, commissioner Al Adam asked that the vote on the auto mall proposal be separated into two parts: the sign and everything else.
“I don’t want to see concern for the sign negate the plan for the parking or the landscaping because I think the parking and the landscaping are fine,” said Adam, who was the sign’s most vocal opponent.
At the end of the meeting commissioners voted 5-0 to recommend approval of the parking and landscaping plan, and 3-2 in favor of recommending the auto mall sign design; Adam and Grumney dissented. Fisher, despite his concerns, did not.
“The auto mall is great,” Adam said. “It’s great for the city. It’s great for everyone who lives here. . . . However, as far as the sign goes, I think we have to step back and take another look at it.
“This would certainly add an identifiable image to the city and I’m not sure it’s a positive one, a three-story sign.”
Date with City Council
The proposed improvements to the Thousand Oaks Auto Mall are scheduled to go before the City Council on Dec. 14. The council has final say on the project.
If approved, construction could get underway as soon as May 2011, according to a city staff report.
Three-quarters of the $8.5-million cost of the project is to be paid for by the Auto Mall Association through the creation of a Mello- Roos Community Facilities District, in which the dealers will tax themselves.
The city set aside $2 million from its redevelopment fund in 2007 to help pay the remaining cost of the work.
The Thousand Oaks Auto Mall dates back to the 1960s, when it began with just three dealerships.
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also short video of Cerritos Auto Mall animated sign
Sign Law & Policy: FHWA Weighs in on Digital Billboards
By: David L. Williamson
Monday, November 1, 2010
Photo courtesy OAAAIt’s almost the end of the year, so time to expect the long-awaited “Phase II” of federal research on digital billboards and related impact (if any) on driver distraction. (The sponsoring agency in early October said it expected to release the Phase II study “within a month or two.”)
REVIEWING PHASE I
Let’s take a step back to how this potentially significant study came about. First, don’t call them “billboards”. The nomenclature used by the sponsor—the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA)—is “commercial electronic variable message sign,” or CEVMS.
02212011 vc star gwebb writes:
ReplyDeletethese comments are full of misinformation, first no tax money is being used for the sign, second the parking improvements are approved and they iclude tearing down the old sign, third building a new sign that is outdated does not help the image of our community and finally hundreds of people in our community have lost their jobs in the auto mall and a modern sign will help them get their jobs back. It ie important that we all voicr our opinions but it is also important to know the facts
February 21, 2011
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Scenery_is_for_suckers writes:
The Thousand Oaks Auto Mall has for many years been a donor to the City Council, I think that's the big picture here. This issue is not about a sign, it's about a political favor being paid back to campaign donors. In the end, does it matter how tall the sign is or how many "study" sessions are held?
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nickeq writes:
Gwebb: Vow u claim others r spreading misinformation. $2 mill of property tax aka redevelopment went tom the dealers....while our seniors are KICKED out from mobile homes and city hall is closed 2 Fri +++
"outdated does not help the image of our community
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So you think Monrovia, Garbage Grove, Carson have great images and higher HOME vales; what about the $6 mill in property tax that we home owners give to the city, sales tax Mall share is 2% of TOTAL city budget
Mall has NOT provided updated job figures 1K (Oaks Mall employs MORE) for 2008 B4 Courtesy/ WestOaks went under.
People live in glass houses don't throw stones.
Even the SF Valley has NO such LED type giant signs.... none Glendale, Burbank, Pasadena Arcadia has giant retail sign, Monrovia is the closest watch the UGLY scene here on my video
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Giant auto mall signs Monrovia 2011
also short video of Cerritos Auto Mall animated sign FILE with letters etc http://cctoaks.blogspot.com/
Sign Law & Policy: FHWA Weighs in on Digital Billboards
By: David L. Williamson
Monday, November 1, 2010
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Mayor fox/ Jay, Scott:
ReplyDeleteThere have been UGLY charges of misinformation. Please elaborate as it is 9 am and staff has been on a FOUR day hiatus:
1. Jobs of 1000 are touted using 2008 figures; NOT fair; 2 dealers OB + So what is true number?? 800?? 600?? 1200??
2. Different numbers regarding sales tax contributed by dealers; $3.2 mill to $6 mill PLEASE explain how the Toyota/ Scion dealers sales were REMOVED for correct mall number.
3. I am providing a 3 1/2 video of signs in Monrovia for education to TOTV to show tonite please.
4. NP Billboard/ Agoura signs: They are grand fathered due to COURT judgement. NOT provided to committee / meetings.
Denny's, Inc. v. City of Agoura Hills (1997) 56 Cal.App.4th 1312 ...
The signs in issue are freestanding or pole signs bearing the names or logos of .... The City contends the judgment should be reversed for three primary ...
statecases.justia.com/california/caapp4th/56/1312.html - Cached
Agoura Hills Acts to Phase Out Towering Freeway Pole Signs - Los ...
Feb 17, 1985 ... Taking the first step toward cleaning up their city's sign-cluttered midsection, Agoura Hills officials have moved to phase out tallpole ...
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Agoura Hills Rejects Legalizing Pole-Top Advertising Signs- Los ...
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Denny's, Inc. v. City of Agoura Hills (1997) 56 Cal.App.4th 1312 , 66 Cal.Rptr.2d 382
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DENNY'S, INC., Plaintiff and Appellant, v. CITY OF AGOURA HILLS et al., Defendants and Appellants.
[And 10 other cases.] fn. *
(Superior Court of Los Angeles County, No. LC026828, consolidated with Nos. LC026836, LC026837, LC026838, LC026839, LC026842, LC026843, LC026844, LC026846, LC026858, LC026864 and BS028340, Stephen D. Petersen, Judge.)
(Opinion by Klein, P. J., with Kitching and Aldrich, JJ., concurring.)
COUNSEL
James G. Allen, Diane Pappas, Robert M. Aran, Barger & Wolen, Larry M. Golub, Barbosa, Garcia & Barnes, Douglas D. Barnes, Brown, Altshuler & Spiro, Ira Spiro, Pillsbury, Madison & Sutro, Walter R. Allan, William K. Dial and Marvin Bartel for Plaintiffs and Appellants. [56 Cal.App.4th 1316]
Gregory W. Stepanicich, City Attorney, Richards, Watson & Gershon, Mitchell E. Abbott, Steven R. Orr and Daniel L. Pines for Defendants and Appellants.
Kronick, Moskovitz, Tiedemann & Girard, Michael F. Dean and Deborah M. Cooke as Amici Curiae on behalf of Defendants and Appellants.
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KLEIN, P. J.-
Defendants and appellants the City of Agoura Hills, the City Council of the City of Agoura Hills, the Planning Commission of the City of Agoura Hills, the Board of Zoning Adjustments of the City of Agoura Hills, the Department of Planning and Community Development of the City of Agoura Hills, and the Director of Planning and Community Development of the City of Agoura Hills (collectively, the City) appeal a judgment in an action for declaratory and injunctive relief. fn. 1
Plaintiffs and appellants Denny's, Inc. (Denny's), Texaco Refining and Marketing Inc. (Texaco), Cimm's Inc., doing business as Burger King (Burger King), Agoura Restaurants Incorporated, doing business as McDonald's (McDonald's), Fence Factory, Inc., a California corporation (Fence Factory), Roadside Lumber & Hardware, Inc., a California corporation (Roadside Lumber), Jeff Amin (Amin) (a Mobil Oil franchisee), Albert P. Gabledon (Gabledon), Chevron U.S.A., Inc. (Chevron), and Union Oil Company of California, doing business as Unocal (Unocal), (collectively, plaintiffs) filed protective cross-appeals. fn. 2
The essential issue presented is whether plaintiffs' preexisting business signs are protected by Business and Professions Code section 5499 from the City's signage ordinance (the ordinance). fn. 3
The trial court correctly held section 5499 is implicated because the ordinance prohibits pole signs based on their height or size, rather than [56 Cal.App.4th 1317]categorically prohibiting all pole signs. Further, the trial court properly found that due to the presence of special topographic circumstances, signs conforming to the ordinance would be materially less visible and less effective than the existing signs, and that plaintiffs therefore are entitled to retain their current signs. The judgment is affirmed.
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The City was incorporated in 1982. In 1985, the city council adopted Ordinance No. 75, which regulated signage within the City. The ordinance later was codified as Agoura Hills Municipal Code (AHMC) section 9655 et seq.
Pursuant to the ordinance, with certain exceptions, all freestanding or pole signs became nonconforming upon adoption of the ordinance, and subject to removal on March 19, 1992, upon expiration of a seven-year amortization period specified in the ordinance.
The plaintiff businesses include fast-food restaurants and gasoline service stations. The business establishments and their signs all predate the enactment of the ordinance. The signs in issue are freestanding or pole signs bearing the names or logos of plaintiffs' businesses. Many of the signs are highly visible from the Ventura Freeway due to their height and size. Plaintiffs filed applications for variances with the City's planning commission. The applications were denied, as were the subsequent appeals to the city council. The city council determined the pole sign owners had failed to demonstrate any "special circumstances" to warrant the grant of any variances, and if the applicants were allowed to retain their pole signs, it would be inequitable to new and existing businesses which are not allowed to erect or maintain pole signs.
Plaintiffs then filed their actions in the superior court seeking injunctive, declaratory and/or mandamus relief pursuant to section 5499 to prevent enforcement of the ordinance requiring removal of the pole signs. fn. 4 The actions were consolidated.
The matter was bifurcated. The threshold issue tried was whether the City's ordinance is preempted by section 5499. With the parties' consent, the [56 Cal.App.4th 1318]matter was submitted on declarations and exhibits, without live testimony. The trial court also traveled the freeway corridor in both directions to view the existing signage, the terrain, and the potential impact on the visibility of plaintiffs' businesses if the pole signs were eliminated and replaced by conforming signage.
Plaintiffs then filed their actions in the superior court seeking injunctive, declaratory and/or mandamus relief pursuant to section 5499 to prevent enforcement of the ordinance requiring removal of the pole signs. fn. 4 The actions were consolidated.
ReplyDeleteThe matter was bifurcated. The threshold issue tried was whether the City's ordinance is preempted by section 5499. With the parties' consent, the [56 Cal.App.4th 1318]matter was submitted on declarations and exhibits, without live testimony. The trial court also traveled the freeway corridor in both directions to view the existing signage, the terrain, and the potential impact on the visibility of plaintiffs' businesses if the pole signs were eliminated and replaced by conforming signage.
1. Trial court's ruling.
In an extensive statement of decision, the trial court ruled, inter alia:
The ordinance is within, and forbidden by, section 5499 because the statute prohibits local proscription of signs based on height, and that is precisely what the ordinance does. Although the City contended the ordinance categorically forbids all pole signs, not just pole signs exceeding a certain height, the ordinance was height based, in that short pole signs are not wholly forbidden. "The ordinance plainly discriminates between tall signs and short signs."
With respect to whether special topographic circumstances existed to preclude enforcement of the height-based ordinance, the trial court concluded the term "topography" connotes not only natural surface contours but rather, "all nontemporary surface conditions of whatever origin." Further, "the term 'special topographic circumstances' is not to be taken as an isolated term, but rather to be read in the context of the whole statutory passage, and the subject matter that the Legislature had in view. Thus read in context, it seems plain that by the text 'special topographic circumstances ... result[ing] in a material impairment of visibility of the display ...,' the Legislature meant any material visual impediment other than the natural limits of human eyesight, based on the unique specifics of the particular site, sign, and visual obstructions.... [¶] Thus, all 'circumstances' must be taken into account, including not only nature's hills and trees, but also variant height terrain and vision interruptions from any other source, the height and size of the acclivity and concrete structure of the Kanan Road overpass, the building structures in the area, utility poles and wires, vehicles traveling the freeway, etc. [¶] The evidence clearly establishes that these special topographic circumstances would materially impair the visibility of conforming signs for each plaintiff." Therefore, plaintiffs were "entitled to prevail, first of all, based on the material impairment of raw visibility, ..."
As an alternative and additional basis for its decision, the trial court observed section 5499 has a disjunctive component to be analyzed, namely, whether "special
vc star 02232011 A large electronic reader board likely would not be a welcome component on any new Auto Mall freeway sign, the Thousand Oaks City Council indicated at a study session Tuesday.
ReplyDeleteDiscussion of the signage lasted more than four hours as a large crowd met with the City Council at City Hall. At least two new concepts were presented but no decision was made.
The Thousand Oaks Auto Mall Dealers Association scrapped its plans for a 35-foot-tall sign with a reader board after holding two community meetings where residents uniformly panned the design.
Although the proposed sign was shelved, council members took the opportunity to comment on aspects of it. Some questioned if a large electronic board would clash with community values and potential city codes governing billboards and scenic corridors.
"I like the sign you came up with but I don't think it's in our community values to have a reader board," Councilwoman Jacqui Irwin told members of the association. "I think we made a promise to the community a long time ago to keep billboards off the freeway. A reader board is advertising. It's a billboard."
Mayor Andy Fox said he was concerned about the precedent that might be set by allowing a reader board.
Susan Murata of Silver Star Automotive, who heads the dealer association, said she asked several sign makers to come up with artistic alternatives.
She showed the council and audience one of the concepts, a water feature and a sign on a curved stone platform.
Scott Bailey, who designed the current sign, presented a proposal that included three oak trees atop an electronic reader board, among other features.
The existing sign will be torn down to make way for a street widening and landscaping project at the Auto Mall.
Opponents to the original sign, who have launched a campaign of e-mails, letters and speaking out at meetings, represented a majority of the speakers Tuesday.
Dick Hus, who served on the City Council from 1966 to 1970, said an "LED reader board is totally unnecessary."
Another resident suggested a series of smaller monument signs with the logos of each auto dealer.
The Auto Mall Dealers Association will continue to work on a sign design that will be submitted for approval at some point to the City Council.
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While listening to the speakers at the meeting last night, I heard more then once resident cite the high quality of life we enjoy here in Thousand Oaks. Since I agree with them and these points of views, I must say that just a couple of miles up the 101 is an ecosystem at the end of Alice Drive in NP. If we are concerned about a sign wich has flashing lights, is too high or just maybe doesn't look right, we need to encourage the CRPD and City Council to support protecting this habitat as well. Over 30 native plant and animal species have been documented on this property, it appeals to our pride that it be preserved
February 23, 2011
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Jack_Sprat writes:
Will the Auto Mall dealers go away now or will their council buddies Mayor Andy Fox, Jacqui Irwin, Dr. Tom Glancy and Dennis Gillette help them one more time to wear down the opposition from the public? What isn't the council getting? The dealers want cheap advertising with an electronic billboard. They also want a larger sign. The electronic billboard will save them millions but pollute our city with sign blight. I will take my business elsewhere if any larger sign with an electronic billboard goes up against the wishes of the residents.
February 23, 2011
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Lets_Be_Truthful writes:
I say we tearout the whole automall, plant more oak trees, bring back the cows, and put things back they way they were.
February 23, 2011
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jacobin writes:
This must be real mind bender for the bureaucrats.
February 23, 2011
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nickeq writes:
So Chauncey you wont give up This issue is similar to the rat on farmland near Fresno that stopped Taiwanese immigrant from making a living or the smelt in the delta up North so that we cannot get the water and now pay MUCH higher bills
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This is PRIVATE property It was same as the properties next to it which were built 30-35 yrs ago The owner was kind enough to allow some easements and the water runs off there and collects after rains. The owner is a small local businessman, Iranian Arminian who has his life savings invested and is paying $350 p hr to fight city hall in court. I do NOT know the details of the case, may be you will find out & READ!!
Your past suggestion about a park is absurd as we have a park on Michael/ Borchard and a WORSE park of Newbury Rd near Lynn The noise is deafening and the pollution not good for you.
How about some common sence?
Like these car dealers don't understand that it may not be proven but DRIVER DISTRACTION is a big cause of accidents Our homes are priced 20-30% more than Monrovia, Carson due to the scenic beauty (yea it ain't Sedona)!!
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Watch sign clutter and read my file on the sign if you have time:
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2011-02-24 / Letters
Do you know the city says in its official documents that it provides extraordinary service to its citizens? But there’s absolutely no basis for such a claim.
This marketing gimmick was hatched by senior staff and the City Council to provide cover for their own shenanigans. However, the city does provide extraordinary service to those businesses who give large campaign contributions to certain council members like Jacqui Irwin, Andy Fox, Dennis Gillette and Tom Glancy.
Let me explain. The city’s General Plan plainly and simply says that billboards are prohibited. But the Thousand Oaks Auto Mall dealers and their friends at city hall need to get around that prohibition so the auto mall can erect a new larger sign with an electronic billboard on the 101 Freeway.
So what do crooks do? The city just says that since the auto mall’s proposed billboard will only display its own auto dealer ads but no others then it is not a billboard. That is extraordinarily priceless.
Please complain to city @toaks.org. Tell them that city standards apply to everyone including friends, cronies and the auto mall dealers.
No electronic billboard. No larger sign. That’s plain and simple, too. John Fonti Thousand Oaks
Don’t let up on auto mall sign
2011-02-24 / Letters
Every time I drive past one of those large LED signs at various auto malls around the Southland, I ask myself: “How did that monstrosity get past the planning department?”
To the tower, they are tacky, classless, in-your-face obnoxious, distractive, and furthermore, they are all blights in the landscape.
I was pleased to hear the cheers at the Feb. 10 meeting when the announcement was made that the proposed 35-foot- LED tower was “scrapped.”
Over the years, coming home from a trip, I have looked forward to seeing the time and temperature on the low-profile monument— it has always been a welcome home to me. I certainly would not have the same feelings over a gaudy tower.
Come on, Thousand Oaks, let’s maintain our planning standards and show some class. I look forward to seeing the new proposal at the final meeting. I expect something on the same order as the existing monument. David Rohde Thousand Oaks
Why change city’s standards now?
2011-02-24 / Letters
Seventeen years ago the Thousand Oaks City Council rejected the auto mall’s application for a large electronic freeway sign because it did not meet the city’s high standards for design and aesthetics.
The sign did not reflect the image we wanted motorists to have of Thousand Oaks and Westlake Village, so instead we see the scaled-back sign that is in place now.
Fast-forward to today’s auto mall application for a giant, digital billboard. The blinking billboard will have ads displayed at a rate of one ad every eight seconds. Like a Las Vegas-style slide show, all of us who drive the freeway in the heart of Thousand Oaks and those traveling through will be subjected to this eyesore, day and night.
I wonder what exactly has changed in the last 17 years that would allow the City Council to imagine that it is now somehow acceptable to lower city standards and approve a garish billboard with 200-square-feet of glowing, big-screen images in our scenic corridor?
Building standards in Thousand Oaks mostly reflect good taste, and the sign ordinance has been integral to this class act. A departure from those standards would be beyond unfortunate.
Let us hope our City Council sees the light before they introduce us to never-ending neon glare.
If the auto mall gets theirs, why can’t every business along the 101, the 23 and even the corner shopping center? Janet Miller Wall Thousand Oaks
Wall is a former T.O. planning commissioner.
Council says it won’t support large LED sign
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By Michelle Knight
knight@theacorn.com
IDEA—This computer rendering shows one of the options the auto mall dealers are now considering to replace the current sign along the 101 Freeway. Courtesy Thousand Oaks Auto Mall Association
The Thousand Oaks Auto Mall is unlikely to get the electronic advertising sign it wants.
The Thousand Oaks City Council indicated Tuesday that it will likely vote down any proposal for a sign taller than the current 21-foot-high sign or one with a large LED advertising message board. The Thousand Oaks Auto Mall Association recently proposed erecting a 35-foot-tall monument sign with a 12-foot-by-21-foot LED screen on the frontage road paralleling the 101 Freeway.
After listening to five hours of public comments, most opposing the LED component of the sign, the council suggested the association scale down the electronic component and overall size of the sign.
Councilmember Tom Glancy said he might be in favor of a small LED component that would only display the 25 vehicle brands at the auto mall.
“I think that . . . the size of the sign is not going to be what you all wanted—what the auto mall wanted to begin with,” Glancy said to the association. “I think it’s going to be closer to where it is now, maybe with a great redesign to make it more, more effective.”
Susan Murata, association president, said the conceptual sign design the association gave the council Tuesday was not an official submission but an example of possible alternative designs.
Mayor Pro Tem Jacqui Irwin said she liked the concept but doesn’t think an LED component large enough to display advertising fits in with the community’s values.
Irwin said she drove to Oxnard and Ventura to see their large auto mall signs, which sport large electronic message boards, and asked herself if Thousand Oaks residents could live with something similar.
“And I don’t think . . . the residents of our community can,” Irwin said, agreeing with Glancy that the association should develop a sign that electronically posts the name of every dealership in the auto mall rather than a large one that displays advertising.
“I cannot advocate advertising
. . . and if that’s a nostarter for us, guys, then that’s what it is,” Irwin said. “I think we absolutely owe you identification, and that’s why I was throwing out (the suggestion of) a more static, smaller reader board.”
Mayor Andy Fox suggested the association submit several renderings that the city can post on its website and allow for public comment.
“I’ll just say it right up front— I’m not afraid of what the results are,” Fox said. “If it comes back overwhelmingly (that) the community’s just absolutely against the reader board—the reader board’s not going to happen, would be my sense.”
contd from above Fox said if most respondents are fine with an electronic reader board, however, that information would be useful for the council in making the final decision on an auto mall sign.
ReplyDeleteThree other City Council members indicated they would not support the city incurring the time and expense of having a public survey on the issue.
Counc i lmemb e r Dennis Gillette was absent.
Counc i lmemb e r Claudia Billde la Peña said the council received nearly 300 e-mails and letters in opposition to the association’s original sign proposal.
“For residents to take that much interest . . . says something,” Bill-de la Peña said. “And it is a very, very clear and loud statement.”
Bill-de la Peña said the second conceptual rendering is an improvement over the first, but she questioned whether erecting any new sign on the property violated city codes against billboards.
Community Development Director John Prescott said it did not.
Irwin and Fox asked Prescott if an electronic sign for the association would legally obligate the city to approve similar signs for other business.
Prescott pointed to a statement written by City Attorney Amy Albano that stated approving a particular sign in a particular zone does not set a legal precedent. Albano was not present at that time.
In all, more than 40 audience members spoke, most opposing a sign at the auto mall, especially with an LED component. The council also received 97 statement cards from the audience, with 52 in support of an auto mall sign, 42 opposed and three giving comments, Deputy City Clerk Antoinette Mann said Wednesday.
The association is expected to bring one or more new designs to the City Council for approval in a month or so. toacorn 02242011
VC Star 02232011 story A large electronic reader board likely would not be a welcome component on any new Auto Mall freeway sign, the Thousand Oaks City Council indicated at a study session Tuesday.
ReplyDeleteDiscussion of the signage lasted more than four hours as a large crowd met with the City Council at City Hall. At least two new concepts were presented but no decision was made.
The Thousand Oaks Auto Mall Dealers Association scrapped its plans for a 35-foot-tall sign with a reader board after holding two community meetings where residents uniformly panned the design.
Although the proposed sign was shelved, council members took the opportunity to comment on aspects of it. Some questioned if a large electronic board would clash with community values and potential city codes governing billboards and scenic corridors.
"I like the sign you came up with but I don't think it's in our community values to have a reader board," Councilwoman Jacqui Irwin told members of the association. "I think we made a promise to the community a long time ago to keep billboards off the freeway. A reader board is advertising. It's a billboard."
Mayor Andy Fox said he was concerned about the precedent that might be set by allowing a reader board.
Susan Murata of Silver Star Automotive, who heads the dealer association, said she asked several sign makers to come up with artistic alternatives.
She showed the council and audience one of the concepts, a water feature and a sign on a curved stone platform.
Scott Bailey, who designed the current sign, presented a proposal that included three oak trees atop an electronic reader board, among other features.
The existing sign will be torn down to make way for a street widening and landscaping project at the Auto Mall.
Opponents to the original sign, who have launched a campaign of e-mails, letters and speaking out at meetings, represented a majority of the speakers Tuesday.
Dick Hus, who served on the City Council from 1966 to 1970, said an "LED reader board is totally unnecessary."
Another resident suggested a series of smaller monument signs with the logos of each auto dealer.
The Auto Mall Dealers Association will continue to work on a sign design that will be submitted for approval at some point to the City Council.
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February 26, 2011
ReplyDeleteHave You Driven a Smartphone Lately?
By MAUREEN DOWD
DETROIT
I’m barreling along a rural Michigan highway at 75 miles per hour in a gray Ford Taurus X when I glance down to check a number on a screen.
It can’t be more than two seconds, but when I look back up, I’m inches from plowing into a huge green truck. Panicked, I slam on the brakes.
Even though I’m in Virttex, the Ford simulator that uses virtual reality to give you the eerily real sensation that you’re flying down the highway past cars and barns, I still feel shaken.
I made the mistake of taking my eyes off the road for more than 1.5 seconds, which is the danger zone, according to technology experts at Ford headquarters.
Ford, Chrysler, Chevy and other car companies are betting on the proposition that, as long as your eyes don’t stray from the road for more than a moment, your other senses can enjoy a cornucopia of diversions on your dashboard.
I worried in a prior column that Ford cars with the elaborate and popular new “in-car connectivity” sounded like death traps. Ford Sync lets you sync up to apps, reading your Twitter feeds to you. MyFord Touch plays your iPod on demand and reads your texts to you — including emoticons — and allows you to choose one of 10 prewritten responses (“I’m on my way,” “I’m outside,” “O.K.”). It also has voice-activated 3-D navigation that allows you to merely announce “I’m hungry” or “Find Chinese restaurant.”
Your car can even help you with a bad mood by giving you ambient lighting, vibrating your seat or heating your steering wheel.
Ford executives invited me to Detroit to experience their snazzy new technology firsthand.
They are on the cusp of a system featuring the futuristic avatar Eva, the vaguely creepy face and voice of a woman on your dashboard who can read you your e-mail, update your schedule, recite articles from newspapers, guide you to the restaurant where you’re having lunch and recommend a selection from your iPod. Ford’s working on a Web browser, which would be locked while driving.
Remember when your car used to be a haven of peace from the world? Now it’s just a bigger, noisier and much more dangerously distracting smartphone.
Over lunch at Ford, Sue Cischke, a dynamic company executive, argued that even before cellphones and iPods, drivers were in danger of distraction from reaching for a briefcase or shooing away a bee.
contd above story “Telling younger people not to use a cellphone is almost like saying, ‘Don’t breathe,’ ” she said.
ReplyDeleteGiven that Americans are addicted to Web access and tech toys, she said, it will never work to simply ban them. “So we’ve got to figure out how we make people safer,” she said, “and the more people can just talk to their car like they’re talking to a passenger, the more useful it would be.”
Given that, however, we’re talking about human beings who live in an A.D.D. world, wouldn’t it be safer to try to curb the addiction, rather than indulging it? Nobody thought you could get young people to pay for music after downloading it for free, either, but they do.
David Teater, a former market research consultant to auto manufacturers, lost his 12-year-old son in a distracted driving accident in Grand Rapids, Mich., seven years ago. A 20-year-old nanny driving her charge in her employer’s Hummer was so immersed in a cellphone call that she ran a red light and smashed into Teater’s wife’s Chevy Suburban. Now he works at the National Safety Council.
He says he doesn’t expect car companies — which are trying to make cars more seductive — to be arbiters of safety. “They were slow to move toward seat belts and airbags until we, the customer, said we want it,” he said. He sees the overwrought dashboards as trouble. “We can chew gum and walk, but we can’t do two cognitively demanding tasks simultaneously.”
Ray LaHood, the secretary of transportation, is livid about the dashboard bells and whistles. When he saw a Ford ad with a bubbly young woman named Kelly using the new souped-up system to gab on the phone hands-free and not paying attention to the road, he called Alan Mulally, the president and C.E.O of Ford.
“I said to him, ‘That girl looks so distracted, it belies belief that this is what you want in terms of safety,’ ” LaHood told me. “Putting entertainment centers in automobiles does not contribute to safe driving. When you’re trying to update your Facebook or put out a tweet, it’s a distraction.”
He said he would compile his own statistics, meet with car executives and use the bully pulpit. “We’ll see what the auto companies can do voluntarily and what we need to do otherwise,” he said. “I don’t think drivers should be doing any of that.”
John Fonti, Thousand Oaks
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Will the Thousand Oaks City Council majority let the auto mall dealers erect a monster electronic billboard on Highway 101? That's the $64 million question and, contrary to news reports, the matter is far from over.
Most of us moved here and stay because Thousand Oaks is different. It doesn't have garish signs, and we want it to remain that way. Then why is the auto mall hellbent on a big digital billboard, and why would the council let it have one?
The auto mall wants a large digital billboard because it will save millions in advertising costs. And if you think they'll pass the savings on to you, then I have a bridge to sell you. It's all about increasing profits.
The council majority of Andy Fox, Dennis Gillette, Jacqui Irwin and Tom Glancy have received tens of thousands in campaign contributions from the dealers and are between a rock and a hard place. During their recent meeting, the council majority was especially cagey.
Members ignored Councilwoman Claudia Bill-de la Peña's request to give clear guidance to the auto mall. They gave some good sound bites but never actually said they would deny a digital billboard or a monster-size sign.
Please tell the council to stop trying to wear us down. There have been five public meetings so far, and the same message is heard over and over. No one except the auto dealers and their business friends want to cheapen our fair city and scenic highway. The current sign size of 20 feet is OK, but the lighted billboard is not. E-mail city@toaks.org and cityclerk@toaks.org. Mark your calendar for the next council meeting April 12, when the sign will be deliberated yet again.
Jon Orr, Thousand Oaks
Real pirates
Re: Clifford May's March 3 commentary, "U.S. needs to take on the pirates big time" and your March 3 editorial, "A simple solution — at first glance":
I read the article about Somali pirates and it made me angry that, with our military might, we have been unsuccessful in stopping the pirates and surrender "hundreds of millions of dollars in ransom."
Yet, on the same page, your editorial tells of the size of and waste in our federal government; overlapping federal agencies and programs that cost the taxpayers billions of dollars. Are 82 separate programs across 10 federal agencies to improve the quality of teachers necessary? So just who are the real pirates here?
Michael Lorraine, Simi Valley
Tax hikes
Am I missing something? Jerry Brown easily got elected governor promising to let the voters vote on any tax hikes. The voters also approved on budgets passing the Legislature with a majority vote.
Why don't Brown and the Democrats just tell the Republicans, "Let the voters decide on extending the tax hikes, or we'll just pass it with the budget"?
The Republicans could never get away with accusing Brown of breaking a campaign promise, since everybody knows the Republicans are against letting voters decide on their own taxation.
Sheila Suarez, Newbury Park
War crimes
Re: Michael Pringer's March 7 letter, "Waterboarding not torture":
Mr. Pringer claims that waterboarding is not torture. Waterboarding was identified in the 16th century as torture practiced by the Spanish Inquisition. The Japanese were prosecuted for waterboarding during World War II.
Mr. Pringer may think that the U.S. Department of Justice would prosecute war crimes but it clearly didn't. That is why Mr. Bush has been advised to stay closer to home in his retirement as other countries may seek justice for the tortured, however delayed.
Richard S. Hawley, Thousand Oaks
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