Saturday, February 12, 2011

ALL TO Acorn on TO Auto Mall Sign see also Jan posts Auto Mall 4 the rest of the story

AutoMall FaceView v6.JPG AutoMall Northbound v6.JPG AutoMall SideView v6.JPG AutoMall Southbound v6.JPG
The FILES related to the auto mall sign are available for review on Google my docs PUBLIC  No regist reqd. Also pics there and videos of signs
https://docs.google.com/?tab=qo&authuser=0#query/vr?view=0&filter=images_and_videos&hidden=1
also at Facebook for pics if you prefer
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=100001597299471&aid=26540   See different auto mall signs here NO registration reqd.
Signs with TV screens LA area http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=6775&id=100001597299471
FROM the Neautral city??

IMPT. Links  http://www.scenic.org/billboards
www.signlaw.com
www.oaaa.org
Auto Mall Improvement Project

Upcoming Community Meetings


Location:Los Robles Greens Golf Course – Banquet Center
299 S. Moorpark Road
Thousand Oaks, CA 
Dates:6:00 PM on Thursday, February 10
View the Presentation from the January 26 Meeting

The Thousand Oaks Auto Mall lies on 54 acres along Thousand Oaks Boulevard between Duesenberg Drive, Packard Circle, and the 101 Freeway. The Auto Mall employs approximately 1,000 people, consistently generating almost one-quarter of the City’s annual sales tax revenues. In the past four years, the Auto Mall has generated more than $28 Million in sales tax revenue to the City.

In recent years, the dealerships have been working with the City to improve the appearance and navigability of the Auto Mall. Along with pedestrian amenities and aged streetscaping, the primary concern is the lack of available parking for both customers and employees. In fact, as a Top Priority for FY 2007-2008, the Thousand Oaks City Council directed staff to develop a plan to mitigate parking issues at the Auto Mall.

On January 12, 2010, City Council authorized design for the Auto Mall project. Due to the significance of this undertaking, the City Council formed an Ad Hoc Citizens Auto Mall Advisory Committee. The Ad Hoc Committee met five times between February and June 2010 to review conceptual designs and make recommendations. The final report by the Citizen Ad Hoc Committee contained recommendations on the angled parking, landscaping, way-finder signage, and a new freeway monument sign.

At the December 14, 2010 meeting, City Council approved all the necessary plans and permits for the project to move forward, with the exception the freeway monument sign. At the request of the Auto Mall Association, the monument sign was not considered by City Council at the December 14th meeting, in order to receive additional community feedback and insight regarding the sign before making a decision. After completing additional public outreach and receiving community feedback, the Auto Mall Association will bring the item to City Council on February 22, 2011. 

http://www.toaks.org/civica/filebank/blobdload.asp?BlobID=19520   The biased comm. report Shoved down my throat as Comm member (Nick Q) NO minority report allowed

The City Engineer as ADVOCATE for auto mall NO OTHER side presented
Frequently Asked Questions

Below are five frequently asked questions regarding the proposed Auto Mall Monument Sign. 

  1.  Who is paying for the new Auto Mall sign?
    The costs to construct, operate, and maintain the monument sign will be paid entirely by the Auto Mall Association. No City funds are being used to construct the Auto Mall monument sign.Previously, City Council committed $2 Million towards the other components of the project, (parking improvements, landscaping, etc.) none of which is to be used to construct the monument sign, if approved. Since 2001, the Auto Mall has generated $8 million in incremental property tax revenues for the Redevelopment Agency (RDA), with an additional $1.3 million expected in fiscal year 2010-11. The majority of the parking and landscaping costs ($6 Million) will be paid by the formation of a Community Facilities District (CFD) for the Auto Mall area. The property owners within the CFD will impose a special tax on themselves to finance the improvements in the Auto Mall.
  2.  Will the sign impact sales at the Auto Mall?
    There is no empirical evidence that increases in the size of advertising signage results in increased automobile sales. However, studies have verified the effectiveness of signage in general, especially in areas with high visibility. In a 2001 study, the Small Business Administration determined that electronic message boards were the most cost effective means of advertising - more so than print, television, or web. The Auto Mall Association estimates that 80% of its visitors are drawn to the mall because of the freeway visibility and the existing monument sign. During 2010, 36% of all Thousand Oaks Auto Mall sales were to Thousand Oaks residents. In other words, the Auto Mall relies heavily on outside residents for 64% of their sales. Freeway signage may act as a primary method of communication to potential buyers who pass through Thousand Oaks.
  3.  Will the sign be a distraction for drivers?
    The monument sign concept selected by the Advisory Committee is consistent with current Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) design criteria. The FHWA operational criteria for digital reader boards minimize driver distraction. For example, the proposed reader board will not be animated or contain any flashing or scrolling graphics. The image dwell time on the reader board will be eight seconds, with a one-second transition between images. Given the length of the image dwell time, it is unlikely that a driver would see more than a couple messages while traveling along the 101 freeway. Finally, the reader board will be equipped with automatic dimming capabilities to adjust brightness in accordance with ambient light. The existing Auto Mall sign contains an electronic component as well (a 3’x9’ reader board displaying the date, time, and temperature. During 2008, the FHWA conducted a Phase I literature review study on the distraction potential of digital reader boards. In Phase II of the study, participants were observed in instrumented vehicles while driving along 30 minute routes in Virginia and Pennsylvania containing digital and standard billboards. The instrumented test vehicles measured the frequency and length that drivers looked away from the roadway. Field data collection for Phase II is completed, and a draft report is under internal review. The FHWA will analyze the results of the field data to identify whether subsequent guidance, regulatory changes, or suggested legislative proposals for digital reader boards are needed.The proposed monument sign is consistent with the Scenic Highways Element of the City’s General Plan. The goal of the Scenic Highways Plan is to identify, establish, and enhance a system of scenic highways within the City of Thousand Oaks. The Scenic Highways Element identifies ten policies, such as preventing removal of mature trees without proper consideration, undergrounding utility lines, and providing right-of-way landscaping. With regard to signage, the policy states that the City should “Provide for the control of all on and off-site advertising signs”. In consideration of the Scenic Highways Element, appropriate controls have been placed on the sign’s design and operation to minimize significant impacts on the scenic character of the U.S. 101 Freeway.
  4.  Will the sign be precedent-setting?
    If approved, the monument sign will not set a precedent for digital reader boards in the City of Thousand Oaks. The approval is specific to the Auto Mall zone only; any other similar sign would require separate approvals by the Planning Commission and City Council. The existing Auto Mall sign was constructed in 1994 through the application of a special use permit. In a similar fashion, the proposed monument sign has undergone numerous iterations within the Advisory Committee, opened to public hearings, considered by the Planning Commission, and will eventually be considered by the City Council. In each stage, the necessity and appropriateness of the sign is evaluated.
  5.  How can I participate in the community discussions regarding the sign?
    Two community outreach meetings have been scheduled at the banquet center of the Los Robles Greens Golf Course. The purpose of the discussions is to provide additional information to the public, gather opinions, address concerns, and take note of all suggestions.   
    Location:Los Robles Greens Golf Course – Banquet Center 
    Dates:6:00 PM on Wednesday, January 26th
    6:00 PM on Thursday, February 10th
For more information contact:
Jay Spurgin, City Engineer
(805) 449-2444
  
jspurgin@toaks.org
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Studies & Reports

City Council & Planning Commission

Studies & Reports

  • Thousand Oaks Auto Mall Citizen Ad Hoc Committee Final Report
    FHWA Safety Guidelines
    Proposed Freeway Monument Sign Dimensions    
  • Safety Impacts of the Emerging Digital Display Technology
  • Tantala Associates Research Summary
    Cuyahoga County, OH
    Albuquerque, NM
  • Federal Highway Administration, Phase I - Update Nov. 2009
  • Recommended Brightness Levels for On-Premise EMCs
  • Small Business Administration Study - Electronic Message Centers
    Small Business Administration Study - Associated Article
  • Signline Publication, Issue 40
  • Signline Publication, Issue 45
  • Maryland State Highway Administration Study - 2007
  • Calculating the Value of a Digital-Display Ad
  • Digital Billboards: What We Know Now
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  • Jay T. Spurgin, PE, MPA   PLEASE Copy to Senior Planner Jon Shepard  Thx
    Deputy Public Works Director
    City Engineer
    City of Thousand Oaks
     2100 Thousand Oaks Blvd
     Thousand Oaks, CA 91361
     805-449-2444 tel, 805-449-2475 fax
     
    jspurgin@toaks.org
    Also Co Chairs, Judy Lazar roadrunner.com and  Louis Goldman dvr@goldsman.com,
    Auto Mall ad hoc T O Committee   March 18th 2010
    I am taking the liberty to write you at the last instance as I finally finished reading the staff packet. I hope staff will distribute a copy of this at the meeting. I want to admit at the outset that I am kinda disturbed with the whole process. As the only one who spoke at the council meeting on the matter I was told that this was a TRANSPARENT process and ALL citizens were welcome; In fact I was happy to be appointed alongwith long time cmbr Hon. Larry Horner. Yet even today despite informing staff a month ago the meeting for the 3 rd time is NOT on the web calendar! The citizens are unaware of such an impt. Meeting while art shows, Story time are prominently advertised.
    The staff report is completely ONE sided. That is why as a lay person I have done some research and faxed to staff some 15 pages including the minutes of the Dec 7th 1993 meeting so that the members will get an accurate picture of what is happening and the history. The original sign was not allowed in its entirety as it violated the sign ord. in many ways as well as the Scenic Highways Element! Despite 140? Pages there is not even a mention of this vital doc. This ain’t El Monte which is blighted from head to toe. I realize the auto mall is BLIGHTED per RDA ord. but that is a technicality for tax grab and another matter.
    Cnmr. Fox mentioned at the meeting that a lot has changed since the compromise, renovated SIGN was approved in 1993. NOT really!! The Oxnard and Ventura Signs were already there. The Calabasas Dealers were not there but they do NOT have an large reader board sign.  In fact Oxnard is in RUINS despite the huge sign as is Ventura with the demise of MANY dealerships. The successful S. Barbara Mall has NO glitzy sign nor are there any signs for Simi nor in S F Valley (except for individual kinda small signs for Galpin, Miller Nissan etc). The part ignored by staff is that the Ventura sign is at a much lower elevation than the freeway and is VERY far from the freeway as are the Longo sign and other signs in the report like Irvine and Newport is NOT even near a frwy!
    The sign proliferation has occurred as in the 90s in the So Bay, S G valley and far flung boonies like Lancaster, S Maria, Ontario etc as a desperation move to capture drivers on LONG trips; as if they will stop and make a $30K purchase on the fly. In fact the subtle approach of sales is what is the successful approach and that has worked successfully for the TO auto mall too; in fact the move is to VIRTUAL auto mall as can be seen by a simple Google search!
    It is UNFAIR to other sales tax producing businesses like the Janss Mall, Oaks Mall and even the Best Buy Plaza that they have little or NO fwy visibility or a sign; Worst case is Home Depot that does not even have a MONUMENT sign and unless you know it is there, you will drive right by; that happened to temps that I had hired who came from out of town; so as a former sign builder I of course believe in signage , but sign BLIGHT? NO!! No! No!
    We have outlawed use of cell phones while driving I am enclosing sheet on the 2 sec rule. Please note that Denver just BANNED digital signs (see enclosed page). This is a HEALTH & SAFETY issue!! Let us NOT wait till we are sued because of a fatality to remove them. In fact I remember the furor on use of the CITY SEAL in campaigning but staff is proposing using the sacred seal in some renderings!!
    I do NOT think we will be ready to vote today as we do NOT have ALL the necessary info to make a fair assessment; I respectfully ask that this be moved to another meeting and that OTHER alternatives be presented without the huge reader board and that do NOT violate our scenic highway guidelines.
    Why is the Planning Staff NOT the lead staff for the committee? Why is it that a new set of rules are being proposed for the auto mall which is unfair to the other businesses. Also we have not even discussed WHY a NEW sign is needed when as I mentioned not much has changed except: The MALL has the BEST VISABILITY still from the freeway so one would be blind to not notice it!! The mall has dwindled from 36 brands to 26? With ONE dealer controlling 13 makes and a popular Toyota dealer still NOT part of the mall. The INTERNET has changed the auto buying landscape and the sign does nothing to address that. In fact the auto mall seems to not be as active as it has NO web site and not even a membership in the local chamber as many of the dealers still have the competitive spirit! Yet we are to bend the rules when even the sales tax cash cow may go away if tax is distributed on a per capita or based on census tract basis to eliminate ZONING for dollars; Notice there is NO sign for Amgen either!!
    Nick Ekbal Quidwai
    Comm Member=======================================================
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    Commercial Electronic Variable Message Signs (CEVMS)
    and Driver Attention – January 11, 2011


    The study’s primary focus is the effect of CEVMS on driver visual behavior and the evaluation of their potential risk to safety.

    Phase I (complete)
    The initial phase began in January 2008, and was completed by the Human Centered Systems Team at the Federal Highway Administration’s (FHWA) Turner-Fairbank Highway Research Center.  This updated an earlier published literature review regarding the distraction potential of CEVMS and reviewed and recommended appropriate research methods and techniques for the second phase. The final report is posted to the FHWA home page at http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/realestate/out_ad.htm

    Phase II (awaiting final report)
    The two chosen sites, Reading, Pennsylvania and Richmond, Virginia, have a number of CEVMS displays, together with standard vinyl billboards and other objects of visual interest, along two driving routes each approximately 30 minutes in duration. The research participants drove an FHWA instrument equipped test vehicle. The instrumentation in the test vehicle measured eye-glances of the participant drivers, which will permit the researchers to determine the frequency of glances away from the roadway, the percentage of time that the participant drivers looked at the roadway ahead, and the time that the drivers looked at the CEVMS advertising displays, at standard vinyl billboards, and other selected objects. 

    An analysis of the on-road eye-tracking data is complete.  The FHWA has received a draft report of the results of the data and the report is currently being reviewed.  Upon the completion of the review, the final report will be published and released on the FHWA home page athttp://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ .  No date is scheduled for the publication of the report.  FHWA will notify individuals that have submitted an inquiry relating to this study, when or after the report is published. 

    If you have questions on the CEVMS Research, please contact Catherine O’Hara at Catherine.O’Hara@dot.gov or 202-366-9901.
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Feb 5, 2010 ... Governor gearing up to sell ads on freeway electronic signs .... You should also know that The Sacramento Bee does not screen comments ...
www.sacbee.com/.../state-pushedwants-signs-poiu-poiupoiu.html - Cached

Escondido OKs huge electronic screen for new Lexus dealer

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ESCONDIDO -- The City Council has approved design details for a gigantic, illuminated screen that will begin splashing colorful images of art and landscapes onto Interstate 15 later this year when a new Lexus dealership opens on Ninth Avenue.
The 1,296-square-foot screen will be nearly five times larger than the Escondido Auto Park electronic sign situated just off the western edge of the freeway. Lexus officials said their screen must be larger because it will be 450 feet southwest of the freeway.
The operation agreement for the screen prohibits any advertising, but city officials said it will still draw extra attention to Escondido's auto dealers, where sales have fallen sharply the past two years.
Previous attempts to improve the visibility of the city's auto row included the 267-square-foot Auto Park sign erected in the late 1990s, and a 180-foot flagpole added in 2005 that sports an 1,800-square-foot American flag.
A resident living near the new dealership on Tanglewood Lane objected to the media screen when it was first proposed in late 2006, but Lexus gained his support by agreeing to block his view of the screen with a special wall and several trees.
Others have questioned whether the screen, which would be roughly the size of a movie theater screen, might cause crashes on the freeway by distracting drivers. But city officials said the lack of continuous animation would make distractions unlikely.
Design details approved Wednesday by the council dictate that the images not be rotated more frequently than every 20 seconds, and the sign be shut off between 11 p.m. and 6:30 a.m.
A special committee of city employees and Lexus officials will decide which landscapes, paintings and other images to display.
Judy Jones-Cone, owner of the dealership, told the council Wednesday that she would like the screen to display art work by local students, photos by area residents and possibly some images of the San Diego Chargers professional football team on game days.
"We want the mural to give the building a personality," said Jones-Cone, who also owns the Lexus dealership in Carlsbad.
Even if the illuminated screen were not part of the plans, the new Lexus dealership would be remarkable.
The first so-called "super luxury" dealership in San Diego County, it will feature water shows, an upscale restaurant, piano music, meeting rooms and a hospitality center. Similar dealerships have opened recently in Orange County and south Florida.
"I think it's exciting we'll be the first in the county to have one of these," said Mayor Lori Holt Pfeiler.
Other local dealers have supported the arrival of Lexus, predicting the unique facility will draw curious car shoppers from miles away. The electronic auto park sign and the giant flagpole were paid for by the auto park association, which now includes 14 dealers. Escondido also has a half-dozen dealerships outside the auto park, and Lexus will be among them.
Initially, plans called for the screen to be inside clear glass on the third floor of the dealership, but Lexus officials recently decided to place the screen outdoors on the northeast corner of the building, which will rise 70 feet above the ground. Previous plans also called for the screen to rotate between two positions, but it will now be fixed in one spot.
Councilman Ed Gallo suggested the outdoor location could increase the chances for vandalism, such as rocks being thrown at the glass. But dealership officials said the screen will be safely sealed.
City officials said the illumination will vary between day and night, and that the sign will be dramatically less bright than a shopping mall parking lot at night.
The dealership is now under construction next to the Target/Mervyns plaza on the former site of the Escondido Adventist Academy, which is moving to a new site off Deodar Road in north Escondido. Lexus officials predicted the dealership will open by the end of the year.
Contact staff writer David Garrick at (760) 740-5468 or dgarrick@nctimes.com.
Level two is where you can see a vast display of new Lexus vehicles adorned with performance and other optional Lexus equipment inside the Ready-To-Go showroom, which shortens the preparation times for Lexus buyers who desire such optional equipment at time of purchase. Two 2,500 square-foot conference centers can be reserved for public or private use along with an outdoor plaza that overlooks the fountain.
These two conference centers were designed and structurally engineered to accommodate large display items such as automobiles or small tractors for private training programs.
On the level three, the views of the Escondido hills and local mountains frame the spacious West-outdoor event area with outdoor fire tables and a capacity of over 300 guests make this a spectacular location for private and public parties, weddings, concerts and more.
The East-outdoor area is a more intimate setting for up to 150 guests with the ability to showcased movies or live musical performances.
Also on the third level is where Lexus vehicle buyers will take delivery inside an opulent showroom that is located next to the relaxed Lexus Learning Center where guests can discover all the features and benefits Lexus vehicles offer through videos as well as personal Product Specialists on hand to answer questions.
Coming soon in 2010 to the hospitality area on level three will feature be an elegantly appointed restaurant with capacity of 150 diners, along with a flower shop and more retail boutiques.
http://www.lexusescondido.com/MiscPage_5  watch these short videos They are amazing!
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Hacker Arrested in Billboard Porn Stunt
http://www.publicadcampaign.com/uploaded_images/moscowhack-756927.jpgRemember the racy video billboard hack in Moscow? Well it appears they have arrested the man responsible for the fantastic stunt. The Moscow Times is reporting that "The incident prompted the Moscow Advertising Committee to ban video billboards on the streets of Moscow." but I can't find any information to corroborate this statement. If anyone finds information that upholds this statement, please send it our way.

The Moscow Times Reports

Police in the southern city of Novorossiisk have arrested a man accused of hacking into a video billboard in Moscow last month and showing a pornographic movie that spawned a traffic jam as curious drivers slowed to watch the film. [
More Here]
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MINUTES 1993 Sign hearing HINUTES OF THE CITY 6ENCY

COUNCIL

REDEVELOPHENT

Thousand Oaks California December 7 1993

The regular meeting of the CityCouncilwas called to order at5m by

Redevelopment Agency 02pMayorZeanah in the Council 2400 Willow Thousand with

Chair Elois Chambers Lane Oaks
CouncilmembersJaime Zukowski Judy Lazar Frank Schillo and Alex Fiore present

Directors

were

Also present City ManagerGeneral Counsel

Executive Director Grant Brim hall City AttorneyMark Sellers Assistant City Manager MaryJane Lazz Assistant City Attorney Robert K Rogers Jr
Finance DirectorPublic Works Director John Clement Planning Director

Treasurer Robert Biery
Deputy Executive Director Philip Gatch Building and Safety Director Barry Branagan Civic Auditorium
and Forum Theater Director Thomas Mitze Sheriff Commander Kathy Kemp Deputy City Clerk Cindy

LoPiccolo Recording Secretary Loft Brown Public Service Clerk Erin McHale Principal Planner John
Prescott Senior Planner Greg Smith Senior Planner Jon Shepherd and City Engineer Gil Pableo

SPECIAL PRESENTATION

CMO Mayor Zeanah presented Certificates of Appreciation to CSAPA Red Ribbon Week
120Coloring Contest Winners Ginnie Jones lst Grade Stephanie Bernard 2nd Grade

30
Timmy Harms 3rd Grade Scott Cleaver 4th Grade Kim Downey 5th Grade and
Heather Montgomery 6th Grade

DEPARTMENTAL AND REDEVELOPMENT REPORTS

PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT

PCD Reduction forRe

Proposed Filing Fee WaiverFiling Tentative Tract 4754 Raznick
42090 Realty Group Director Gatch presented report and possible options to address request

President Raznick

Ellen Michiel 5525 Oakdale Avenue Woodland HillsViceSons

pro

Councilmember Schillo suggested staff and provide report of time spent on application
if a substantially small amount of time is spent Council may at that time consider fee
reduction

Motion by Councilmember Lazar to not waive the fee at this time require payment of
full filing fees and not set precedent carried41 Councilmember Fiore dissenting

PUBLIC WORKS

DPW Fire Remediation Plan Update Principal Engineer Pableo presented information
52080 concerning emergency measures implemented for postremediation work reported

fire
City contracted with California Conservation Corp CCC to install silt fences and debris
dams at slopes or berm hills above Deer Ridge subdivision The City also engaged

consulting firm of Woodward Clyde to supervise CCC work and prepare an implementa
tion plan Phase I of plan is complete additional work for hydroseeding on Deer Ridge
slopes subdivision is scheduled Introduced Scott Huntsman Senior Project Manager

for Woodward Clyde

Mr Huntsman presented slides and information pertaining to the plan and what will be
proposed in the future

UTILITIES None

BUILDING AND SAFETY None

POLICE None




Minutes of the
CityCouncil

Redevelopment Agency
Thousand Oaks California 3 December 7 1993

COMMITTEEBOARDREPORTS

COMMISSION

CMO Cable TV Issues Councilmember Fiore discussed providing a Mobile Van for live or
64110 delayed coverage of Newbury Park Panthers Hawthorne Cougars CIF Southern

tape2 Division III Championship Football Game Saturday December 11 1993

Motion by Councilmember Fiore to add this issue to the agenda for urgent action
purposes due to importance to the community and agenda prepared prior to receipt of
application carried50

Motion by Councilmember Fiore to approve Mobile Van use and appropriate up to 700
for costs associated with coverage approve Public Access Grant request for an amount
of up to 725 from grant funds as necessary and waive the grant requirement of

certified producer in order to receive the grant carried 50

CITY MANAGER Continued

PCD
City Manager Brimhall referred to Planning Department memo on Westlake Village
Convalescent Hospital noted Council to consider zoning and project application
concurrently

COMMITTEEBOARDREPORTS Continued

COMMISSION

CMO Crime Prevention Task Force Meeting report by Mayor Zeanah stated task force was
580formed to address crime concerns in particular violent crimes Next meeting will be held

20

January 19 1994

DPW Ventura County Transportation Commission Councilmember Schillo reported City
94010 streets met this yearmanagement conformance of the Congestion

s requirements
Management Plan noted current vacancy on Ventura County Transportation
CommissionCitizen Transportation Advisory Committee Social Service Transportation

sbe obtained from the Commission or

Council applications may City Reported
Metrolink will offer free ride from Moorpark to downtown Los Angeles Saturday

on

538

December 11 1993 tickets for 10 free rides available by calling City or18001112

CITY ATTORNEY None

REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY None

ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING

PCD AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF THOUSAND OAKS
60070 APPROVING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT NO RCA 93

24 WITHIN THE
61080 RANCHO CONEJO ANNEXATION AREA Specific Plan No 15 Introduced
11235

ORD NO 1193

NS

93 0

NS Be Read In Title Only

Motion by Councilmember Fiore that Ordinance No 1193

Further Reading Be Waived and If No Objection Adopted carried 50

UNFINISHED BUSINESS None

NEW BUSINESS None




Minutes of the City Council

Redevelopment Agency
Thousand Oaks California 4 December 7 1993

COUNCIL COMMENTS

CMO
Business Showcase Awards Mayor Zeanah reported she would sponsor weekly business

2
showcase awards in order to improve communication between the residential community
and business community noted awards will be initiated and screened by the Conejo
Valley Chamber of CommerceEconomic Development Committee one award per week

swill be scheduled under Special Presentations during her term

Councilmember Lazar announced her next Ask Your Councilmember will be held at
Ralphin North Ranch Shopping Center on December 11 1993 between the hours of

s10am and 1pClarified substantial progress has been made by the School District

m
in finding fields for use by Newbury Park Pony Baseball Requested Mayor and staff
consider January Study Sessions should be considered for Seventh Day Adventist and
PCD California Lutheran University properties before public hearing process Mayor Zeanah
responded suggestions will be taken under advisement

CMO
Mayor Zeanah commented the School Districtsolution for Newbury Park Pony League

s

90

585
may not be a satisfactory resolution for Newbury Park residents mentioned Council has

a

sports complex and should get issue back on track possible
purchase of parcel 101 Fwy requested investigate and

had goal to acquire fields

Moriadian Property
staff to

report back

Councilmember Schillo reported citizens are forming a Conejo Valley sports organization
to determine what their facility needs are suggested hearing from this organization
before taking steps to acquire any property Mayor Zeanah responded staff can include

findings in report

CMO Councilmember Zukowski requested permission to coordinate the next Citizens Exchange
160program requested Housing Issue be presented Councilmember Schillo responded he

62
would take it under consideration Councilmembers discussed history and purpose of
the Exchange 87 Mayor

Councilmember Zukowski noted Council action taken91

Zeanah requested staff investigate and report concerning the Citizens Exchange and
schedule on upcoming agenda for discussion

PUBLIC COMMENTS

PCD

Ned Cohan 15490 Ventura Blvd Sherman Oaks requested Council appoint staff person
2to work with him so he can return to Council for development plan approval

3

Pat Palucci 5757 Fairview Pl Agoura Member

Director of Community Conscience
praised Under One Roof and invited public in attend fund raiser December 13 1993 at
the Terrace Cafe 105 Brazil Street 6 to 9pm purpose of fund raiser is to reduce

mortgage debt of Human Services Center

CLOSED SESSION

CAO
City Attorney Sellers requested Closed Session pursuant to Government Code Section
54956concerning pending litigation City of Thousand Oaks v A C Martin VSCS

9
118396


Council recessed for Closed Session at6m and reconvened the meeting at7m

40p
30p




Chuck Cohen
Appellant
Representative
One Boardwalk
Thousand Oaks
Pro

J David Power
Appellant

Representative
30401 Agoura Road
Agoura Hills

Pro

Bob Fitzharris
Appellam
Representative

3026 Grandoaks Drive
Westlake Village
Pro

Peter F Shaver
Appellant
Represemative
1596 Clydesdale

Westlake Village
Pro

Tom Cohen
Appellam
Represemative

One Boardwalk
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Kenneth Greene
Appellant
Represemative
2548 Rikkard Drive
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Susan Mejia
Appellant
Representative

3905 Auto Mall Drive
Thousand Oaks
Pro

EXHIBIT A

Public Hearing
Auto Mall Sign
December 7 1993


Speakers

David Cole
Citizens for a
Beautiful Conejo
3666 Black Hills Court
Thousand Oaks
Con

Tom Oswald
Citizens for a
Beautiful Conejo
4045 E Thousand Oaks Blvd
Thousand Oaks
Con

Cathy Schulz
Citizens for a
Beautiful Conejo
4240 Arrowhead Circle
Thousand Oaks
Con

Richard F King
3888 E Thousand Oaks
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Virginia Davis
689 Triunfo Cyn Road
Thousand Oaks
Pro

R D Nesen
3601 Auto Mall Drive
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Cyril Shane
4583 TamO

Shanter Drive
Thousand Oaks
Con

Michael Humason
512 Walter Avenue

Newbury Park
Con

Tom Sutphen
3164 W Cumberland Ct
Westlake Village
Con

Michelle Koetke
4259 Blackwood Street
Thousand Oaks
Con

Scott Young
2909 E Great Smokey Ct
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Hal Epstein
3121 E Thousand Oaks Blvd
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Marc Myerson
2450 J Pleasant Way
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Hallie Blau
1666 Larkfield Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Con

Milton Weiner
1158

A
No address given
Con

MikeO

Beirne
794 Walnut Court
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Peggy Waters
10311 N Via Colinas
Westlake Village
Pro

Brian Cullier
429 Camino dos Palos
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Colette Jones
693 McCloud Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Pro




Speaker Cards
Continued

Page 2

Gary Phillips
1335 La Granada Dr
Thousand Oaks
Con

Suzanne Duchett
1654 Campbell Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Con

C J Parrish

2636 W Great Smokey Ct
Westlake Village
Con

Kevin Oliff
3918 N Oleander Court
Calabasas
Pro

John R Smith

1602 Wellington Place
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Terry Eubanks
491 Blackhawk Drive

Newbury Park
Pro

Patricia Yelle
2541 Hood Drive
Thousand Oaks
Con

Frank Parrish

2636 W Great Smokey Ct
Westlake Village
Con

Harriet E Baker

1508 Campbell Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Con

John Woodward Jr

31011 Lexington Way
Thousand Oaks
Pro

David McGee

2772 W Appalachian
Thousand Oaks
Con

Lynne Bausmith
572 Lotus Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Dale Hodges
1088 Warwick
Thousand Oaks
Con

Paul Herzog
1477 Fordham Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Con

Rickie Whitman

3292 Blue Ridge Ct
Thousand Oaks
Con

John M McClure

130 Falling Star Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Dennis Mayer
866 Linden Circle
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Dick Luenburg
32305 W Tempe Way
Thousand Oaks

Con

S

eve Salant

3342 S Blue Ridge Ct
Thousand Oaks
Con

Dan Chambers

2217 N Memory Lane
Westlake Village

PRo

Nancy Taylor
184 Silas Avenue

Newbury Park
Con

Bill Murphy
1299 Bluesail Circle
Thousand Oaks
Con

Mary Harris
P O Box 2067
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Pete Shaver Jr

1692 Twilight Ridge
Westlake Village
Pro

Marilyn Novak
644 Blue Oak
Thousand Oaks
Con

Mary Margaret Thomes
975 Calle Angosta
Thousand Oaks
Con

Jeff Kemp
3810 Thousand Oaks Blvd
Thousand Oaks

Pro

Nick Sansone

88 Beatty Place
Newbury Park
Pro

Cliff Reynolds

4623 Colony Drive
Camarillo
Pro

Scott Bailey
2607 La PaloCircle

ha
Thousand Oaks
PR6

Russ Goodenough
3676 Calle La Fuego
Thousand Oaks
Con

Gary Heathcote

2239 Townsgate Road
Westlake Village
Pro

Ekbal Quidwai
P O Box 824

Newbury Park
Con




Speaker Cards
Continued

Page 3

Dr Christopher Gould

1278 Equestrian Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Con

Norman Lueck

332 Hickory Drive
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Bill Becher
4239 Arrowhead Circle
Thousand Oaks
Con

Richard T Johnson
281 Tennyson Street
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Phil Kennon
3250 W Sierra Drive
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Marc Koscinski
801 Mitchell

Newbury Park
Pro

Gene Boles
521 Paseo Grande
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Howard Kruger
2567 E Thousand Oaks Blvd
Thousand Oaks

Pro

Barbara Teuscher
222 W Hillcrest Drive
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Jill Lederer
2776 E Sierra Drive
Westlake Village
Pro

Terry Jones
87 Lucero Street
Thousand Oaks
Pro

David Tuttle
1337 Thousand Oaks Blvd
Thousand Oaks
Pro

William Anderson
Silverstar Automotive Gr
1800 Ave of the Stars

Los Angeles
Pro

John Grace
Westlake Village Chamber
of Commerce

No address provided
Pro

Peter A Skidanov
304 Siesta Avenue
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Dave Melton
Westlake Village Chamber
of Commerce
31838 Willage Center Rd
Westlake Village
Pro

John Bailey
22908 Paul Revere Dr
Calabasas
Pro

Failed to Appear when
called

Simon Maria Echtekleff

1778 Moorpark Rd
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Sean Davis
359 Flittner Circle
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Steve Rubenstein
President

Conejo Valley
Chamber of Commerce
625 W Hillcrest Drive
Thousand Oaks
Pro

Kevin McCaffery

1625 Calle de Oro
Thousand Oaks
Pro




Statement Cards In Favor

Betty Sue Adams
8598 Eureka Street
Ventura

Bailey

Ply
3102 Thousand Oaks Blvd
Thousand Oaks

Tawnie Bausmith
572 Lotus
Thousand Oaks

David F Beasley
395 Freshmeadow
Simi

Alain Cavelier
2636 Calle Manzano
Thousand Oaks

Marjorie Cinnie
3925 Auto Mall Drive
Thousand Oaks

Eloise Cohen
730 Woodlawn Drive
Thousand Oaks

Cara Crowe
259 Gazania Court
Thousand Oaks

Ken Duncan
717 W Velarde Drive
Thousand Oaks

David Green
191 W Wilbur Road
ThousaM Oaks

Natalie Grives
1710 W Hillcrest Drive

Newbury Park

David T Gulbranson
417 S Oak Creek Drive
Thousand Oaks

EXHIBIT B

Public Hearing
Auto Mall Sign
December 7 1993

Sts

eme Ca

Jim Handol

3725 Duesenberg Drive
Thousand Oaks

Norm Hoffman
3888 Thousand Oaks Blvd
Thousand Oaks

Robert Koetke
4259 Blackwood Street

Newbury Park

Jim Ladin
1085 Via Colinas
Westlake Village

Paul Ladin
4573 Golf Course Drive
Westlake Village

Janet Levett
15 Atlas Avenue
Thousand Oaks

Gregory Margetin
771 Warwick
Thousand Oaks

Robert Martin
430 Bonnie View St
Moorpark

Simon Mekari
3880 Thousand Oaks Blvd
ThousaM Oaks

Howie Neftin
331 Hunters Court
Thousand Oaks

Laura Neffin
3550 Auto Mall Drive
Thousand Oaks

R A Susan Newlun

31927 Richgrove Court
Westlake Village

A J Pattersen
4141 Pinehollow
Thousand Oaks

Joe Paulucci

250 Conejo Ridge
Thousand Oaks

Walter Schaedle
2718 Lakewood Place
Westlake Village

Richard J Schamber
2020 Rockdale Avenue
Simi

A Shipp
329 Alpine Avenue
Ventura

William Smith
3348 Gerald Drive

Newbury Park

Nick H Stark
1851 Sandalwood Place
Thousand Oaks

Florence B Tocco
905 Meadowcrest Street

Newbury Park

Walter L Voeks
3829 Mainsail Circle
Westlake Village

Dixie Vollmer

1866 Brian Court
Thousand Oaks

Gary I Watkins
2075 Hietter Street

Simi




Statement Cards
Continued

Page 2

Statement Cards In
Opposition

Diane R Anderson

2656 W Great Smokey Ct
Westlake Village

Susan Arentzoff

3278 Allegheny Court
Westlake Village

Tyyne Baron
549 Walter Avenue

Newbury Park

Jane Becher
4239 Arrowhead Court
Westlake Village

Lorenzo Boido

3890 Blackwood Street

Newbury Park

Nathan Borin

P O Box 6263

Thousand Oaks

Howard Blau

1666 Larkfield Avenue

Thousand Oaks

Diane Rumbaugh
2166 Flintridge Court

Thousand Oaks

Wanda Cailliau

4443 Valley Spring Drive
Thousand Oaks

C Patricia Fred Carlson
1432 Thousand Oaks Blvd
Thousand Oaks

Andrea Conutt

63 La Palma

Newbury Park

John Crawford

291 E1 Cielo

Newbury Park

Polly Derr

1659 Larkfield

Thousand Oaks

Barbara Eisenthal
902 Rawhide Place

Newbury Park

Shermma Ellis

1476 Cheswick Place
Westlake Village

Mr Mrs James F
Fitzpatrick
3254 W Sierra Drive
Westlake Village

Mina Freehill

1724 Campbell Avenue
Thousand Oaks

Sheelagh M Gibbons

1422 Oldbury Place
Westlake Village

Marlene Hodges
1088 Warwick Avenue
Thousand Oaks

Nurit Eli Holzman
2787 Parkview Drive
Thousand Oaks

Trish Kellogg
978 Meadowcrest

Newbury Park

Christopher C Kelley

1691 Calle diamonte

Thousand Oaks

Darrell B Jones

1099 Antelope Place

Newbury Park

Mr Mrs George Klein
335 Hickory Grove Drive
Thousand Oaks

Mary Jo Kvern

1464 Cheswick Place

Westlake Village

Leif Kirsten Larsen
2776 Wasarch Court
Thousand Oaks

Charles Lech
2814 E Sierra
Thousand Oaks

Suzanne Robert Lewis
13 Doone Street
Thousand Oaks

Holly Ann McBride

1590 Campbell Avenue
Thousand Oaks

Charles McDuff
549 Walter

Newbury Park

Linda McGee

2772 W Appalachian Ct
Westlake Village

Ann Matze

1590 Campbell Avenue
Thousand Oaks

Barbara Minnehan

1452 Cheswick Place
Westlake Village

Scott Moors

21 Knollwood Drive

Newbury park

George Edna Moore
3194 Bear Creek Drive

Newbury Park

Rae Ann Murray

2768 Wasatch

Thousand Oaks

Jim Oos

3838 Northland

Newbury Park

Paul Judy Porcasi

1622 Campbell

Thousand Oaks




Statement Cards
Continued

Page 3

Richard Randall
640 Camino Manzanas
Thousand Oaks

L E Carol Robinson

1757 Campbell
Thousand Oaks

Dexter Reed

1724 Campbell
Thousand Oaks

Shirley Richards
875 S Westlake Blvd
Westlake Village

Don Raveanna Runyan

1523 Fordham Avenue
Thousand Oaks

Ernest Kris Salmon
856 La Cresta
Thousand Oaks

William V Nell Scruggs
3086 E Blackhills Court
Thousand Oaks

Russell Inessa Abrams
Snyder
2698 Lakewood Place
Westlake Village

Keith Taylor
184 Silas Lane

Newbury Park

Alan Whitman
P O Box 3902
Westlake Village

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Auto dealers pull sign proposal

2010-12-16 / Front Page
By Michelle Knight
A plan to build a 35-foot-tall electronic monument sign next to the 101 Freeway has been put on hold.
The Auto Mall Dealers Association on Friday asked that its proposal, intended to increase the visibility of the 25 dealerships at the 54-acre site, be taken off the agenda for the Dec. 14 City Council meeting.
The proposed sign featured a 12-by-21-foot LED screen for displaying vehicle advertisements 24 hours a day.
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Susan Murata, vice-president of Silver Star Automotive Group and president of the auto mall association, said the group wants to gather more input from residents.
“We want to address the concerns of the community, and that’s why we took it off the calendar,” Murata told the council.
Murata stressed that a new sign is critical to the success of the plan because auto dealers believe it will help them better compete with dealerships to the north and south. She said studies have shown large LED boards can increase sales up to 20 percent.
“We don’t want to shove this down anyone’s throat,” Murata said. “We don’t want this to be a bad thing. There’s enough concern out there; let’s address it.”
With the sign off the table, the council unanimously approved on Tuesday an $8.6-million plan to improve landscaping and parking at the auto mall. The plan includes 364 additional parking spaces and the addition of way-finder signs to help drivers locate dealerships. The city is contributing $2 million worth of redevelopment money to the project.
The current 600 on-street parking spaces aren’t enough to accommodate the 1,100 or so employees of the dealerships, said Jay Spurgin, deputy director of public works.
Even with the sign off the agenda, it still drew numerous comments from the audience. Many said a larger LED sign could be dangerous because it would distract freeway drivers and lead to accidents.
Several speakers questioned the need for a larger sign. Thousand Oaks resident Richard Odom said prospective car buyers don’t drive up and down freeways looking for dealerships.
“We’re much more sophisticated than that,” he said.
Odom said if a larger LED sign is approved he will boycott the auto mall.
“I will not patronize any dealership that contributes to the defilement of our community by putting up a garish sign,” he said.
Others criticized the city’s redevelopment agency for contributing $2 million to the renovation.
Debbie Gregory said the auto dealers are “special interests” and redevelopment dollars should not be used on their behalf.
City officials stressed that no redevelopment money would be spent on the new sign, when or if it’s approved, but that the auto mall association will finance the entire cost.
Supporters of the auto mall sign also spoke.
Ben Woodle, representing The Oaks mall, said that retailers have lost sales in the past few years. He said a larger sign at the auto mall would benefit nearby businesses, including the shopping center.
George Webb, an employee of the auto mall since 1995, said he’s seen people lose their jobs in recent months. The planned improvements and a larger electronic display sign could save, and possibly add, jobs at dealerships, he said.
“I know if we do this right and we can keep jobs here and grow those jobs back, that means a lot to a lot of people,” Webb said.
The auto mall sells about 20,000 vehicles a year, even in the recession, Murata said.
John Adams, the city’s finance director, said the auto mall has been the top generator of sales tax revenue for the past 10 years. The auto mall generates 25 percent of the city’s sales tax revenue.
Supporters of the new sign reminded opponents that the old auto mall sign must come down because the planned improvements include widening the freeway frontage road near the sign.
A public hearing on the design of the new auto mall sign is expected to take place in February.
The renovation of the landscaping and parking could begin in the summer.
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Auto dealers pull sign proposal

2010-12-16 / Front Page
By Michelle Knight
A plan to build a 35-foot-tall electronic monument sign next to the 101 Freeway has been put on hold.
The Auto Mall Dealers Association on Friday asked that its proposal, intended to increase the visibility of the 25 dealerships at the 54-acre site, be taken off the agenda for the Dec. 14 City Council meeting.
The proposed sign featured a 12-by-21-foot LED screen for displaying vehicle advertisements 24 hours a day.
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Susan Murata, vice-president of Silver Star Automotive Group and president of the auto mall association, said the group wants to gather more input from residents.
“We want to address the concerns of the community, and that’s why we took it off the calendar,” Murata told the council.
Murata stressed that a new sign is critical to the success of the plan because auto dealers believe it will help them better compete with dealerships to the north and south. She said studies have shown large LED boards can increase sales up to 20 percent.
“We don’t want to shove this down anyone’s throat,” Murata said. “We don’t want this to be a bad thing. There’s enough concern out there; let’s address it.”
With the sign off the table, the council unanimously approved on Tuesday an $8.6-million plan to improve landscaping and parking at the auto mall. The plan includes 364 additional parking spaces and the addition of way-finder signs to help drivers locate dealerships. The city is contributing $2 million worth of redevelopment money to the project.
The current 600 on-street parking spaces aren’t enough to accommodate the 1,100 or so employees of the dealerships, said Jay Spurgin, deputy director of public works.
Even with the sign off the agenda, it still drew numerous comments from the audience. Many said a larger LED sign could be dangerous because it would distract freeway drivers and lead to accidents.
Several speakers questioned the need for a larger sign. Thousand Oaks resident Richard Odom said prospective car buyers don’t drive up and down freeways looking for dealerships.
“We’re much more sophisticated than that,” he said.
Odom said if a larger LED sign is approved he will boycott the auto mall.
“I will not patronize any dealership that contributes to the defilement of our community by putting up a garish sign,” he said.
Others criticized the city’s redevelopment agency for contributing $2 million to the renovation.
Debbie Gregory said the auto dealers are “special interests” and redevelopment dollars should not be used on their behalf.
City officials stressed that no redevelopment money would be spent on the new sign, when or if it’s approved, but that the auto mall association will finance the entire cost.
Supporters of the auto mall sign also spoke.
Ben Woodle, representing The Oaks mall, said that retailers have lost sales in the past few years. He said a larger sign at the auto mall would benefit nearby businesses, including the shopping center.
George Webb, an employee of the auto mall since 1995, said he’s seen people lose their jobs in recent months. The planned improvements and a larger electronic display sign could save, and possibly add, jobs at dealerships, he said.
“I know if we do this right and we can keep jobs here and grow those jobs back, that means a lot to a lot of people,” Webb said.
The auto mall sells about 20,000 vehicles a year, even in the recession, Murata said.
John Adams, the city’s finance director, said the auto mall has been the top generator of sales tax revenue for the past 10 years. The auto mall generates 25 percent of the city’s sales tax revenue.
Supporters of the new sign reminded opponents that the old auto mall sign must come down because the planned improvements include widening the freeway frontage road near the sign.
A public hearing on the design of the new auto mall sign is expected to take place in February.
The renovation of the landscaping and parking could begin in the summer.
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VISUAL—A mock version of the proposed Thousand Oaks Auto Mall sign went up last Friday. The blue banner represents the size of the LED screen. It will stay up until Dec. 14, when the City Council meets to discuss the proposal for the 35-foot-tall sign. 


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Auto mall sign continues to draw fire

2010-11-11 / Front Page
Planning commission expresses concern
A 35-foot-tall electronic monument sign appears to be the major sticking point in an $8.5-million proposal to improve parking and landscaping at the Thousand Oaks Auto Mall.

ATTENTION-GETTER—A computer-generated photo shows what the proposed sign for the Thousand Oaks Auto Mall would look like in comparison to the current sign. The conceptual design calls for a 35-by-40-foot-tall sign with a 300-square-foot LED screen. Illustration provided by Signature Signs Inc., Newbury Park ATTENTION-GETTER—A computer-generated photo shows what the proposed sign for the Thousand Oaks Auto Mall would look like in comparison to the current sign. The conceptual design calls for a 35-by-40-foot-tall sign with a 300-square-foot LED screen. Illustration provided by Signature Signs Inc., Newbury ParkThough the five planning commissioners who heard the project at Monday’s meeting unanimously supported the other improvements, three said they had real concerns over the sign.
The proposed design calls for the current 20- foot-tall auto mall sign along the 101 Freeway to be replaced with a larger sign featuring a 12-by-25-foot LED screen for displaying car advertisements (see above image).
The screen, which will operate 24 hours a day with the help of automatic dimmers, won’t be animated nor will it flash. Instead, it will operate like a slide show, changing images every eight seconds with a one-second transition time.
Susan Murata, vice president of Silver Star Automotive Group and head of the Auto Mall Association, told the commission the sign is “desperately needed.”
“That old sign is just that—it’s old. It’s dated and it needs to be replaced,” she said.
Commissioner Barry Fisher said that while he was in favor of helping the dealers attract more business to the auto mall—which generates around 25 percent of the city’s sales tax revenue each year—he couldn’t get past the size.
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“It’s an opportune time to upgrade the sign, but I guess the bigger question is: upgrade to what?” Fisher said.
“Looking at the artist’s renderings, the sign looks massive. I’m trying to get that straight in my mind. I’m not totally sold on it.”
Commissioner Tina Grumney shared that sentiment.
“I completely support the redesign. I completely support additional parking. I completely support additional signage. . . . I completely support changes to the landscape. What I don’t support and I’m having difficulty with are the proposed changes to the monument sign,” Grumney said.
Project years in the making
The city of Thousand Oaks has been working with auto mall dealers for more than a decade on plans to increase the economic viability of the 54-acre site, which is currently home to 20 dealerships and employs around 1,000 people.
For years one of the auto dealers’ biggest complaints has been a lack of parking, said Jay Spurgin, the city’s deputy public works director.
“It boils down to insufficient parking in the auto mall,” he said. “You can drive out there at anytime during the week and not find a parking space.”
Plans are to add 364 parking spaces to the current 900 at the auto mall. City streets in the dealership areas will be widened and angled parking spaces added.
Extensive landscaping work proposed includes adding 41 trees and building landscape planters at each of the five rotundas on Auto Mall Drive. There are also plans to add way-finder signs to help drivers locate each dealership.
In November 2009 the City Council authorized the formation of an ad hoc committee to provide community input on all aspects of the project.
The committee, which was made up of homeowners association representatives, businesses, Auto Mall Association members and other interested people, met with city staff five times before a final meeting in mid-June.
Former mayor Judy Lazar, who co-chaired the committee, spoke in favor of the design on Monday, saying the group “had at least 20 different variations of possible auto mall signs and we looked at all of them.”
Commissioner Daryl Reynolds said she liked the sign’s design and felt it was wrong to dismiss the committee’s work by voting against it.
“Is that what you want to do,” she asked Fisher, “just leave it up to the council or to staff to come up with a new design rather than the committee that spent all those months looking at the design of signs?”
The public hearing included 10 speakers, most of whom opposed the sign.
When it concluded, commissioner Al Adam asked that the vote on the auto mall proposal be separated into two parts: the sign and everything else.
“I don’t want to see concern for the sign negate the plan for the parking or the landscaping because I think the parking and the landscaping are fine,” said Adam, who was the sign’s most vocal opponent.
At the end of the meeting commissioners voted 5-0 to recommend approval of the parking and landscaping plan, and 3-2 in favor of recommending the auto mall sign design; Adam and Grumney dissented. Fisher, despite his concerns, did not.
“The auto mall is great,” Adam said. “It’s great for the city. It’s great for everyone who lives here. . . . However, as far as the sign goes, I think we have to step back and take another look at it.
“This would certainly add an identifiable image to the city and I’m not sure it’s a positive one, a three-story sign.”
Date with City Council
The proposed improvements to the Thousand Oaks Auto Mall are scheduled to go before the City Council on Dec. 14. The council has final say on the project.
If approved, construction could get underway as soon as May 2011, according to a city staff report.
Three-quarters of the $8.5-million cost of the project is to be paid for by the Auto Mall Association through the creation of a Mello- Roos Community Facilities District, in which the dealers will tax themselves.
The city set aside $2 million from its redevelopment fund in 2007 to help pay the remaining cost of the work.
The Thousand Oaks Auto Mall dates back to the 1960s, when it began with just three dealerships.




17 comments:

  1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBg1EDVlXf4
    Giant auto mall signs Monrovia 2011

    also short video of Cerritos Auto Mall animated sign
    Sign Law & Policy: FHWA Weighs in on Digital Billboards

    By: David L. Williamson
    Monday, November 1, 2010



    Photo courtesy OAAAIt’s almost the end of the year, so time to expect the long-awaited “Phase II” of federal research on digital billboards and related impact (if any) on driver distraction. (The sponsoring agency in early October said it expected to release the Phase II study “within a month or two.”)

    REVIEWING PHASE I
    Let’s take a step back to how this potentially significant study came about. First, don’t call them “billboards”. The nomenclature used by the sponsor—the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA)—is “commercial electronic variable message sign,” or CEVMS.

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  2. 02212011 vc star gwebb writes:
    these comments are full of misinformation, first no tax money is being used for the sign, second the parking improvements are approved and they iclude tearing down the old sign, third building a new sign that is outdated does not help the image of our community and finally hundreds of people in our community have lost their jobs in the auto mall and a modern sign will help them get their jobs back. It ie important that we all voicr our opinions but it is also important to know the facts

    February 21, 2011
    11:58 a.m.
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    Scenery_is_for_suckers writes:
    The Thousand Oaks Auto Mall has for many years been a donor to the City Council, I think that's the big picture here. This issue is not about a sign, it's about a political favor being paid back to campaign donors. In the end, does it matter how tall the sign is or how many "study" sessions are held?

    February 21, 2011
    12:59 p.m.
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    nickeq writes:
    Gwebb: Vow u claim others r spreading misinformation. $2 mill of property tax aka redevelopment went tom the dealers....while our seniors are KICKED out from mobile homes and city hall is closed 2 Fri +++
    "outdated does not help the image of our community

    Read more: http://www.vcstar.com/news/2011/feb/2...#ixzz1Ed2tTcln
    - vcstar.com "
    So you think Monrovia, Garbage Grove, Carson have great images and higher HOME vales; what about the $6 mill in property tax that we home owners give to the city, sales tax Mall share is 2% of TOTAL city budget
    Mall has NOT provided updated job figures 1K (Oaks Mall employs MORE) for 2008 B4 Courtesy/ WestOaks went under.
    People live in glass houses don't throw stones.
    Even the SF Valley has NO such LED type giant signs.... none Glendale, Burbank, Pasadena Arcadia has giant retail sign, Monrovia is the closest watch the UGLY scene here on my video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBg1ED...
    Giant auto mall signs Monrovia 2011

    also short video of Cerritos Auto Mall animated sign FILE with letters etc http://cctoaks.blogspot.com/
    Sign Law & Policy: FHWA Weighs in on Digital Billboards

    By: David L. Williamson
    Monday, November 1, 2010



    Read more: http://www.vcstar.com/news/2011/feb/20/to-council-to-hold-auto-mall-sign-study-session/#ixzz1Ed5G6G31
    - vcstar.com

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  3. Mayor fox/ Jay, Scott:

    There have been UGLY charges of misinformation. Please elaborate as it is 9 am and staff has been on a FOUR day hiatus:

    1. Jobs of 1000 are touted using 2008 figures; NOT fair; 2 dealers OB + So what is true number?? 800?? 600?? 1200??
    2. Different numbers regarding sales tax contributed by dealers; $3.2 mill to $6 mill PLEASE explain how the Toyota/ Scion dealers sales were REMOVED for correct mall number.
    3. I am providing a 3 1/2 video of signs in Monrovia for education to TOTV to show tonite please.
    4. NP Billboard/ Agoura signs: They are grand fathered due to COURT judgement. NOT provided to committee / meetings.
    Denny's, Inc. v. City of Agoura Hills (1997) 56 Cal.App.4th 1312 ...
    The signs in issue are freestanding or pole signs bearing the names or logos of .... The City contends the judgment should be reversed for three primary ...
    statecases.justia.com/california/caapp4th/56/1312.html - Cached
    Agoura Hills Acts to Phase Out Towering Freeway Pole Signs - Los ...
    Feb 17, 1985 ... Taking the first step toward cleaning up their city's sign-cluttered midsection, Agoura Hills officials have moved to phase out tallpole ...
    articles.latimes.com/1985-02-17/local/me-3659_1 - Cached
    Agoura Hills Rejects Legalizing Pole-Top Advertising Signs- Los ...
    Nov 4, 1993 ... Voters in Agoura Hills overwhelmingly rejected two measures ...
    articles.latimes.com/1993-11-04/local/me-53061_1_pole-signs -

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  4. Denny's, Inc. v. City of Agoura Hills (1997) 56 Cal.App.4th 1312 , 66 Cal.Rptr.2d 382

    [No. B098621. Second Dist., Div. Three. Aug 7, 1997.]
    DENNY'S, INC., Plaintiff and Appellant, v. CITY OF AGOURA HILLS et al., Defendants and Appellants.
    [And 10 other cases.] fn. *
    (Superior Court of Los Angeles County, No. LC026828, consolidated with Nos. LC026836, LC026837, LC026838, LC026839, LC026842, LC026843, LC026844, LC026846, LC026858, LC026864 and BS028340, Stephen D. Petersen, Judge.)
    (Opinion by Klein, P. J., with Kitching and Aldrich, JJ., concurring.)
    COUNSEL
    James G. Allen, Diane Pappas, Robert M. Aran, Barger & Wolen, Larry M. Golub, Barbosa, Garcia & Barnes, Douglas D. Barnes, Brown, Altshuler & Spiro, Ira Spiro, Pillsbury, Madison & Sutro, Walter R. Allan, William K. Dial and Marvin Bartel for Plaintiffs and Appellants. [56 Cal.App.4th 1316]
    Gregory W. Stepanicich, City Attorney, Richards, Watson & Gershon, Mitchell E. Abbott, Steven R. Orr and Daniel L. Pines for Defendants and Appellants.
    Kronick, Moskovitz, Tiedemann & Girard, Michael F. Dean and Deborah M. Cooke as Amici Curiae on behalf of Defendants and Appellants.
    OPINION
    KLEIN, P. J.-
    Defendants and appellants the City of Agoura Hills, the City Council of the City of Agoura Hills, the Planning Commission of the City of Agoura Hills, the Board of Zoning Adjustments of the City of Agoura Hills, the Department of Planning and Community Development of the City of Agoura Hills, and the Director of Planning and Community Development of the City of Agoura Hills (collectively, the City) appeal a judgment in an action for declaratory and injunctive relief. fn. 1
    Plaintiffs and appellants Denny's, Inc. (Denny's), Texaco Refining and Marketing Inc. (Texaco), Cimm's Inc., doing business as Burger King (Burger King), Agoura Restaurants Incorporated, doing business as McDonald's (McDonald's), Fence Factory, Inc., a California corporation (Fence Factory), Roadside Lumber & Hardware, Inc., a California corporation (Roadside Lumber), Jeff Amin (Amin) (a Mobil Oil franchisee), Albert P. Gabledon (Gabledon), Chevron U.S.A., Inc. (Chevron), and Union Oil Company of California, doing business as Unocal (Unocal), (collectively, plaintiffs) filed protective cross-appeals. fn. 2
    The essential issue presented is whether plaintiffs' preexisting business signs are protected by Business and Professions Code section 5499 from the City's signage ordinance (the ordinance). fn. 3

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  5. The trial court correctly held section 5499 is implicated because the ordinance prohibits pole signs based on their height or size, rather than [56 Cal.App.4th 1317]categorically prohibiting all pole signs. Further, the trial court properly found that due to the presence of special topographic circumstances, signs conforming to the ordinance would be materially less visible and less effective than the existing signs, and that plaintiffs therefore are entitled to retain their current signs. The judgment is affirmed.
    Factual and Procedural Background
    The City was incorporated in 1982. In 1985, the city council adopted Ordinance No. 75, which regulated signage within the City. The ordinance later was codified as Agoura Hills Municipal Code (AHMC) section 9655 et seq.
    Pursuant to the ordinance, with certain exceptions, all freestanding or pole signs became nonconforming upon adoption of the ordinance, and subject to removal on March 19, 1992, upon expiration of a seven-year amortization period specified in the ordinance.
    The plaintiff businesses include fast-food restaurants and gasoline service stations. The business establishments and their signs all predate the enactment of the ordinance. The signs in issue are freestanding or pole signs bearing the names or logos of plaintiffs' businesses. Many of the signs are highly visible from the Ventura Freeway due to their height and size. Plaintiffs filed applications for variances with the City's planning commission. The applications were denied, as were the subsequent appeals to the city council. The city council determined the pole sign owners had failed to demonstrate any "special circumstances" to warrant the grant of any variances, and if the applicants were allowed to retain their pole signs, it would be inequitable to new and existing businesses which are not allowed to erect or maintain pole signs.
    Plaintiffs then filed their actions in the superior court seeking injunctive, declaratory and/or mandamus relief pursuant to section 5499 to prevent enforcement of the ordinance requiring removal of the pole signs. fn. 4 The actions were consolidated.
    The matter was bifurcated. The threshold issue tried was whether the City's ordinance is preempted by section 5499. With the parties' consent, the [56 Cal.App.4th 1318]matter was submitted on declarations and exhibits, without live testimony. The trial court also traveled the freeway corridor in both directions to view the existing signage, the terrain, and the potential impact on the visibility of plaintiffs' businesses if the pole signs were eliminated and replaced by conforming signage.

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  6. Plaintiffs then filed their actions in the superior court seeking injunctive, declaratory and/or mandamus relief pursuant to section 5499 to prevent enforcement of the ordinance requiring removal of the pole signs. fn. 4 The actions were consolidated.
    The matter was bifurcated. The threshold issue tried was whether the City's ordinance is preempted by section 5499. With the parties' consent, the [56 Cal.App.4th 1318]matter was submitted on declarations and exhibits, without live testimony. The trial court also traveled the freeway corridor in both directions to view the existing signage, the terrain, and the potential impact on the visibility of plaintiffs' businesses if the pole signs were eliminated and replaced by conforming signage.
    1. Trial court's ruling.
    In an extensive statement of decision, the trial court ruled, inter alia:
    The ordinance is within, and forbidden by, section 5499 because the statute prohibits local proscription of signs based on height, and that is precisely what the ordinance does. Although the City contended the ordinance categorically forbids all pole signs, not just pole signs exceeding a certain height, the ordinance was height based, in that short pole signs are not wholly forbidden. "The ordinance plainly discriminates between tall signs and short signs."
    With respect to whether special topographic circumstances existed to preclude enforcement of the height-based ordinance, the trial court concluded the term "topography" connotes not only natural surface contours but rather, "all nontemporary surface conditions of whatever origin." Further, "the term 'special topographic circumstances' is not to be taken as an isolated term, but rather to be read in the context of the whole statutory passage, and the subject matter that the Legislature had in view. Thus read in context, it seems plain that by the text 'special topographic circumstances ... result[ing] in a material impairment of visibility of the display ...,' the Legislature meant any material visual impediment other than the natural limits of human eyesight, based on the unique specifics of the particular site, sign, and visual obstructions.... [¶] Thus, all 'circumstances' must be taken into account, including not only nature's hills and trees, but also variant height terrain and vision interruptions from any other source, the height and size of the acclivity and concrete structure of the Kanan Road overpass, the building structures in the area, utility poles and wires, vehicles traveling the freeway, etc. [¶] The evidence clearly establishes that these special topographic circumstances would materially impair the visibility of conforming signs for each plaintiff." Therefore, plaintiffs were "entitled to prevail, first of all, based on the material impairment of raw visibility, ..."
    As an alternative and additional basis for its decision, the trial court observed section 5499 has a disjunctive component to be analyzed, namely, whether "special

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  7. vc star 02232011 A large electronic reader board likely would not be a welcome component on any new Auto Mall freeway sign, the Thousand Oaks City Council indicated at a study session Tuesday.

    Discussion of the signage lasted more than four hours as a large crowd met with the City Council at City Hall. At least two new concepts were presented but no decision was made.

    The Thousand Oaks Auto Mall Dealers Association scrapped its plans for a 35-foot-tall sign with a reader board after holding two community meetings where residents uniformly panned the design.

    Although the proposed sign was shelved, council members took the opportunity to comment on aspects of it. Some questioned if a large electronic board would clash with community values and potential city codes governing billboards and scenic corridors.

    "I like the sign you came up with but I don't think it's in our community values to have a reader board," Councilwoman Jacqui Irwin told members of the association. "I think we made a promise to the community a long time ago to keep billboards off the freeway. A reader board is advertising. It's a billboard."

    Mayor Andy Fox said he was concerned about the precedent that might be set by allowing a reader board.

    Susan Murata of Silver Star Automotive, who heads the dealer association, said she asked several sign makers to come up with artistic alternatives.

    She showed the council and audience one of the concepts, a water feature and a sign on a curved stone platform.

    Scott Bailey, who designed the current sign, presented a proposal that included three oak trees atop an electronic reader board, among other features.

    The existing sign will be torn down to make way for a street widening and landscaping project at the Auto Mall.

    Opponents to the original sign, who have launched a campaign of e-mails, letters and speaking out at meetings, represented a majority of the speakers Tuesday.

    Dick Hus, who served on the City Council from 1966 to 1970, said an "LED reader board is totally unnecessary."

    Another resident suggested a series of smaller monument signs with the logos of each auto dealer.

    The Auto Mall Dealers Association will continue to work on a sign design that will be submitted for approval at some point to the City Council.



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  8. comments to above February 23, 2011
    11:11 a.m.
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    ToaksNative writes:
    While listening to the speakers at the meeting last night, I heard more then once resident cite the high quality of life we enjoy here in Thousand Oaks. Since I agree with them and these points of views, I must say that just a couple of miles up the 101 is an ecosystem at the end of Alice Drive in NP. If we are concerned about a sign wich has flashing lights, is too high or just maybe doesn't look right, we need to encourage the CRPD and City Council to support protecting this habitat as well. Over 30 native plant and animal species have been documented on this property, it appeals to our pride that it be preserved

    February 23, 2011
    11:18 a.m.
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    Jack_Sprat writes:
    Will the Auto Mall dealers go away now or will their council buddies Mayor Andy Fox, Jacqui Irwin, Dr. Tom Glancy and Dennis Gillette help them one more time to wear down the opposition from the public? What isn't the council getting? The dealers want cheap advertising with an electronic billboard. They also want a larger sign. The electronic billboard will save them millions but pollute our city with sign blight. I will take my business elsewhere if any larger sign with an electronic billboard goes up against the wishes of the residents.

    February 23, 2011
    11:20 a.m.
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    Lets_Be_Truthful writes:
    I say we tearout the whole automall, plant more oak trees, bring back the cows, and put things back they way they were.

    February 23, 2011
    11:39 a.m.
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    jacobin writes:
    This must be real mind bender for the bureaucrats.

    February 23, 2011
    12:29 p.m.
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    nickeq writes:
    So Chauncey you wont give up This issue is similar to the rat on farmland near Fresno that stopped Taiwanese immigrant from making a living or the smelt in the delta up North so that we cannot get the water and now pay MUCH higher bills
    http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&...
    This is PRIVATE property It was same as the properties next to it which were built 30-35 yrs ago The owner was kind enough to allow some easements and the water runs off there and collects after rains. The owner is a small local businessman, Iranian Arminian who has his life savings invested and is paying $350 p hr to fight city hall in court. I do NOT know the details of the case, may be you will find out & READ!!
    Your past suggestion about a park is absurd as we have a park on Michael/ Borchard and a WORSE park of Newbury Rd near Lynn The noise is deafening and the pollution not good for you.
    How about some common sence?
    Like these car dealers don't understand that it may not be proven but DRIVER DISTRACTION is a big cause of accidents Our homes are priced 20-30% more than Monrovia, Carson due to the scenic beauty (yea it ain't Sedona)!!
    http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&...
    Watch sign clutter and read my file on the sign if you have time:
    http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?feat...
    http://cctoaks.blogspot.com/



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  9. ltrs toacorn 02242011
    City service not so ‘extraordinary’

    2011-02-24 / Letters
    Do you know the city says in its official documents that it provides extraordinary service to its citizens? But there’s absolutely no basis for such a claim.

    This marketing gimmick was hatched by senior staff and the City Council to provide cover for their own shenanigans. However, the city does provide extraordinary service to those businesses who give large campaign contributions to certain council members like Jacqui Irwin, Andy Fox, Dennis Gillette and Tom Glancy.

    Let me explain. The city’s General Plan plainly and simply says that billboards are prohibited. But the Thousand Oaks Auto Mall dealers and their friends at city hall need to get around that prohibition so the auto mall can erect a new larger sign with an electronic billboard on the 101 Freeway.

    So what do crooks do? The city just says that since the auto mall’s proposed billboard will only display its own auto dealer ads but no others then it is not a billboard. That is extraordinarily priceless.

    Please complain to city @toaks.org. Tell them that city standards apply to everyone including friends, cronies and the auto mall dealers.

    No electronic billboard. No larger sign. That’s plain and simple, too. John Fonti Thousand Oaks
    Don’t let up on auto mall sign

    2011-02-24 / Letters
    Every time I drive past one of those large LED signs at various auto malls around the Southland, I ask myself: “How did that monstrosity get past the planning department?”

    To the tower, they are tacky, classless, in-your-face obnoxious, distractive, and furthermore, they are all blights in the landscape.

    I was pleased to hear the cheers at the Feb. 10 meeting when the announcement was made that the proposed 35-foot- LED tower was “scrapped.”

    Over the years, coming home from a trip, I have looked forward to seeing the time and temperature on the low-profile monument— it has always been a welcome home to me. I certainly would not have the same feelings over a gaudy tower.

    Come on, Thousand Oaks, let’s maintain our planning standards and show some class. I look forward to seeing the new proposal at the final meeting. I expect something on the same order as the existing monument. David Rohde Thousand Oaks
    Why change city’s standards now?

    2011-02-24 / Letters
    Seventeen years ago the Thousand Oaks City Council rejected the auto mall’s application for a large electronic freeway sign because it did not meet the city’s high standards for design and aesthetics.

    The sign did not reflect the image we wanted motorists to have of Thousand Oaks and Westlake Village, so instead we see the scaled-back sign that is in place now.

    Fast-forward to today’s auto mall application for a giant, digital billboard. The blinking billboard will have ads displayed at a rate of one ad every eight seconds. Like a Las Vegas-style slide show, all of us who drive the freeway in the heart of Thousand Oaks and those traveling through will be subjected to this eyesore, day and night.

    I wonder what exactly has changed in the last 17 years that would allow the City Council to imagine that it is now somehow acceptable to lower city standards and approve a garish billboard with 200-square-feet of glowing, big-screen images in our scenic corridor?

    Building standards in Thousand Oaks mostly reflect good taste, and the sign ordinance has been integral to this class act. A departure from those standards would be beyond unfortunate.

    Let us hope our City Council sees the light before they introduce us to never-ending neon glare.

    If the auto mall gets theirs, why can’t every business along the 101, the 23 and even the corner shopping center? Janet Miller Wall Thousand Oaks

    Wall is a former T.O. planning commissioner.

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  10. Council says it won’t support large LED sign

    2011-02-24 / Front Page
    By Michelle Knight
    knight@theacorn.com

    IDEA—This computer rendering shows one of the options the auto mall dealers are now considering to replace the current sign along the 101 Freeway. Courtesy Thousand Oaks Auto Mall Association
    The Thousand Oaks Auto Mall is unlikely to get the electronic advertising sign it wants.

    The Thousand Oaks City Council indicated Tuesday that it will likely vote down any proposal for a sign taller than the current 21-foot-high sign or one with a large LED advertising message board. The Thousand Oaks Auto Mall Association recently proposed erecting a 35-foot-tall monument sign with a 12-foot-by-21-foot LED screen on the frontage road paralleling the 101 Freeway.

    After listening to five hours of public comments, most opposing the LED component of the sign, the council suggested the association scale down the electronic component and overall size of the sign.

    Councilmember Tom Glancy said he might be in favor of a small LED component that would only display the 25 vehicle brands at the auto mall.

    “I think that . . . the size of the sign is not going to be what you all wanted—what the auto mall wanted to begin with,” Glancy said to the association. “I think it’s going to be closer to where it is now, maybe with a great redesign to make it more, more effective.”

    Susan Murata, association president, said the conceptual sign design the association gave the council Tuesday was not an official submission but an example of possible alternative designs.

    Mayor Pro Tem Jacqui Irwin said she liked the concept but doesn’t think an LED component large enough to display advertising fits in with the community’s values.

    Irwin said she drove to Oxnard and Ventura to see their large auto mall signs, which sport large electronic message boards, and asked herself if Thousand Oaks residents could live with something similar.

    “And I don’t think . . . the residents of our community can,” Irwin said, agreeing with Glancy that the association should develop a sign that electronically posts the name of every dealership in the auto mall rather than a large one that displays advertising.

    “I cannot advocate advertising

    . . . and if that’s a nostarter for us, guys, then that’s what it is,” Irwin said. “I think we absolutely owe you identification, and that’s why I was throwing out (the suggestion of) a more static, smaller reader board.”

    Mayor Andy Fox suggested the association submit several renderings that the city can post on its website and allow for public comment.

    “I’ll just say it right up front— I’m not afraid of what the results are,” Fox said. “If it comes back overwhelmingly (that) the community’s just absolutely against the reader board—the reader board’s not going to happen, would be my sense.”

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  11. contd from above Fox said if most respondents are fine with an electronic reader board, however, that information would be useful for the council in making the final decision on an auto mall sign.

    Three other City Council members indicated they would not support the city incurring the time and expense of having a public survey on the issue.

    Counc i lmemb e r Dennis Gillette was absent.

    Counc i lmemb e r Claudia Billde la Peña said the council received nearly 300 e-mails and letters in opposition to the association’s original sign proposal.

    “For residents to take that much interest . . . says something,” Bill-de la Peña said. “And it is a very, very clear and loud statement.”

    Bill-de la Peña said the second conceptual rendering is an improvement over the first, but she questioned whether erecting any new sign on the property violated city codes against billboards.

    Community Development Director John Prescott said it did not.

    Irwin and Fox asked Prescott if an electronic sign for the association would legally obligate the city to approve similar signs for other business.

    Prescott pointed to a statement written by City Attorney Amy Albano that stated approving a particular sign in a particular zone does not set a legal precedent. Albano was not present at that time.

    In all, more than 40 audience members spoke, most opposing a sign at the auto mall, especially with an LED component. The council also received 97 statement cards from the audience, with 52 in support of an auto mall sign, 42 opposed and three giving comments, Deputy City Clerk Antoinette Mann said Wednesday.

    The association is expected to bring one or more new designs to the City Council for approval in a month or so. toacorn 02242011

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  12. VC Star 02232011 story A large electronic reader board likely would not be a welcome component on any new Auto Mall freeway sign, the Thousand Oaks City Council indicated at a study session Tuesday.

    Discussion of the signage lasted more than four hours as a large crowd met with the City Council at City Hall. At least two new concepts were presented but no decision was made.

    The Thousand Oaks Auto Mall Dealers Association scrapped its plans for a 35-foot-tall sign with a reader board after holding two community meetings where residents uniformly panned the design.

    Although the proposed sign was shelved, council members took the opportunity to comment on aspects of it. Some questioned if a large electronic board would clash with community values and potential city codes governing billboards and scenic corridors.

    "I like the sign you came up with but I don't think it's in our community values to have a reader board," Councilwoman Jacqui Irwin told members of the association. "I think we made a promise to the community a long time ago to keep billboards off the freeway. A reader board is advertising. It's a billboard."

    Mayor Andy Fox said he was concerned about the precedent that might be set by allowing a reader board.

    Susan Murata of Silver Star Automotive, who heads the dealer association, said she asked several sign makers to come up with artistic alternatives.

    She showed the council and audience one of the concepts, a water feature and a sign on a curved stone platform.

    Scott Bailey, who designed the current sign, presented a proposal that included three oak trees atop an electronic reader board, among other features.

    The existing sign will be torn down to make way for a street widening and landscaping project at the Auto Mall.

    Opponents to the original sign, who have launched a campaign of e-mails, letters and speaking out at meetings, represented a majority of the speakers Tuesday.

    Dick Hus, who served on the City Council from 1966 to 1970, said an "LED reader board is totally unnecessary."

    Another resident suggested a series of smaller monument signs with the logos of each auto dealer.

    The Auto Mall Dealers Association will continue to work on a sign design that will be submitted for approval at some point to the City Council.

    © 2011 Ventura County Star. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.



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  13. February 26, 2011
    Have You Driven a Smartphone Lately?
    By MAUREEN DOWD
    DETROIT

    I’m barreling along a rural Michigan highway at 75 miles per hour in a gray Ford Taurus X when I glance down to check a number on a screen.

    It can’t be more than two seconds, but when I look back up, I’m inches from plowing into a huge green truck. Panicked, I slam on the brakes.

    Even though I’m in Virttex, the Ford simulator that uses virtual reality to give you the eerily real sensation that you’re flying down the highway past cars and barns, I still feel shaken.

    I made the mistake of taking my eyes off the road for more than 1.5 seconds, which is the danger zone, according to technology experts at Ford headquarters.

    Ford, Chrysler, Chevy and other car companies are betting on the proposition that, as long as your eyes don’t stray from the road for more than a moment, your other senses can enjoy a cornucopia of diversions on your dashboard.

    I worried in a prior column that Ford cars with the elaborate and popular new “in-car connectivity” sounded like death traps. Ford Sync lets you sync up to apps, reading your Twitter feeds to you. MyFord Touch plays your iPod on demand and reads your texts to you — including emoticons — and allows you to choose one of 10 prewritten responses (“I’m on my way,” “I’m outside,” “O.K.”). It also has voice-activated 3-D navigation that allows you to merely announce “I’m hungry” or “Find Chinese restaurant.”

    Your car can even help you with a bad mood by giving you ambient lighting, vibrating your seat or heating your steering wheel.

    Ford executives invited me to Detroit to experience their snazzy new technology firsthand.

    They are on the cusp of a system featuring the futuristic avatar Eva, the vaguely creepy face and voice of a woman on your dashboard who can read you your e-mail, update your schedule, recite articles from newspapers, guide you to the restaurant where you’re having lunch and recommend a selection from your iPod. Ford’s working on a Web browser, which would be locked while driving.

    Remember when your car used to be a haven of peace from the world? Now it’s just a bigger, noisier and much more dangerously distracting smartphone.

    Over lunch at Ford, Sue Cischke, a dynamic company executive, argued that even before cellphones and iPods, drivers were in danger of distraction from reaching for a briefcase or shooing away a bee.

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  14. contd above story “Telling younger people not to use a cellphone is almost like saying, ‘Don’t breathe,’ ” she said.

    Given that Americans are addicted to Web access and tech toys, she said, it will never work to simply ban them. “So we’ve got to figure out how we make people safer,” she said, “and the more people can just talk to their car like they’re talking to a passenger, the more useful it would be.”

    Given that, however, we’re talking about human beings who live in an A.D.D. world, wouldn’t it be safer to try to curb the addiction, rather than indulging it? Nobody thought you could get young people to pay for music after downloading it for free, either, but they do.

    David Teater, a former market research consultant to auto manufacturers, lost his 12-year-old son in a distracted driving accident in Grand Rapids, Mich., seven years ago. A 20-year-old nanny driving her charge in her employer’s Hummer was so immersed in a cellphone call that she ran a red light and smashed into Teater’s wife’s Chevy Suburban. Now he works at the National Safety Council.

    He says he doesn’t expect car companies — which are trying to make cars more seductive — to be arbiters of safety. “They were slow to move toward seat belts and airbags until we, the customer, said we want it,” he said. He sees the overwrought dashboards as trouble. “We can chew gum and walk, but we can’t do two cognitively demanding tasks simultaneously.”

    Ray LaHood, the secretary of transportation, is livid about the dashboard bells and whistles. When he saw a Ford ad with a bubbly young woman named Kelly using the new souped-up system to gab on the phone hands-free and not paying attention to the road, he called Alan Mulally, the president and C.E.O of Ford.

    “I said to him, ‘That girl looks so distracted, it belies belief that this is what you want in terms of safety,’ ” LaHood told me. “Putting entertainment centers in automobiles does not contribute to safe driving. When you’re trying to update your Facebook or put out a tweet, it’s a distraction.”

    He said he would compile his own statistics, meet with car executives and use the bully pulpit. “We’ll see what the auto companies can do voluntarily and what we need to do otherwise,” he said. “I don’t think drivers should be doing any of that.”

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  15. John Fonti, Thousand Oaks

    Watchful eye

    Will the Thousand Oaks City Council majority let the auto mall dealers erect a monster electronic billboard on Highway 101? That's the $64 million question and, contrary to news reports, the matter is far from over.

    Most of us moved here and stay because Thousand Oaks is different. It doesn't have garish signs, and we want it to remain that way. Then why is the auto mall hellbent on a big digital billboard, and why would the council let it have one?

    The auto mall wants a large digital billboard because it will save millions in advertising costs. And if you think they'll pass the savings on to you, then I have a bridge to sell you. It's all about increasing profits.

    The council majority of Andy Fox, Dennis Gillette, Jacqui Irwin and Tom Glancy have received tens of thousands in campaign contributions from the dealers and are between a rock and a hard place. During their recent meeting, the council majority was especially cagey.

    Members ignored Councilwoman Claudia Bill-de la Peña's request to give clear guidance to the auto mall. They gave some good sound bites but never actually said they would deny a digital billboard or a monster-size sign.

    Please tell the council to stop trying to wear us down. There have been five public meetings so far, and the same message is heard over and over. No one except the auto dealers and their business friends want to cheapen our fair city and scenic highway. The current sign size of 20 feet is OK, but the lighted billboard is not. E-mail city@toaks.org and cityclerk@toaks.org. Mark your calendar for the next council meeting April 12, when the sign will be deliberated yet again.

    Jon Orr, Thousand Oaks

    Real pirates

    Re: Clifford May's March 3 commentary, "U.S. needs to take on the pirates big time" and your March 3 editorial, "A simple solution — at first glance":

    I read the article about Somali pirates and it made me angry that, with our military might, we have been unsuccessful in stopping the pirates and surrender "hundreds of millions of dollars in ransom."

    Yet, on the same page, your editorial tells of the size of and waste in our federal government; overlapping federal agencies and programs that cost the taxpayers billions of dollars. Are 82 separate programs across 10 federal agencies to improve the quality of teachers necessary? So just who are the real pirates here?

    Michael Lorraine, Simi Valley

    Tax hikes

    Am I missing something? Jerry Brown easily got elected governor promising to let the voters vote on any tax hikes. The voters also approved on budgets passing the Legislature with a majority vote.

    Why don't Brown and the Democrats just tell the Republicans, "Let the voters decide on extending the tax hikes, or we'll just pass it with the budget"?

    The Republicans could never get away with accusing Brown of breaking a campaign promise, since everybody knows the Republicans are against letting voters decide on their own taxation.

    Sheila Suarez, Newbury Park

    War crimes

    Re: Michael Pringer's March 7 letter, "Waterboarding not torture":

    Mr. Pringer claims that waterboarding is not torture. Waterboarding was identified in the 16th century as torture practiced by the Spanish Inquisition. The Japanese were prosecuted for waterboarding during World War II.

    Mr. Pringer may think that the U.S. Department of Justice would prosecute war crimes but it clearly didn't. That is why Mr. Bush has been advised to stay closer to home in his retirement as other countries may seek justice for the tortured, however delayed.

    Richard S. Hawley, Thousand Oaks



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